Gun crime in The United Kingdom has doubled
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cbsbyte
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The rising violent crime rate in Britain clearly show without a doubt that the British government and the Police have little understanding on how to deal with crime. They believe punishing non criminals is the answer to their problems when in fact they ignore the larger problem of a system that tolerates and even condones violent criminals. The reform type mentality believes that the criminals are the victims of the system, and the system has to be more lien ant of people who break the law. This simplistic view of how to deal with crime only creates more crime. It is a completely backward system run by people who don't want to get tough on crime but want to maintain the status quo. They fail to realize that their lack of understanding of the dynamics of crime will ultimately lead down the path of ruin. Dealing with crime is not as simple as banning weapons, or putting up cameras in public. It take a multi step approach with economic, and social changes. Allowing citizens to defend themselves is only one step towards dealing with crime. The other half is changing the status quo of the politicians, and officials running the country and make them face reality that the system has to change.
Cosmoline
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The only ones who are ever going to make any headway in the UK at this point are the criminals. So I'm rooting for them.
alucard0822
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This is an inherent problem with countries that have a LEGAL system, however a JUSTICE system will correct many of these problems. In fact we used to have one in the US.
combine an irrational legal system with reformists and appologists in power, and throw in an insatiable thirst for control by politicians, and you have a recipe for disaster, and a lot of innocents will become "criminals" out of necessity, and criminals will be viewed as innocents by those with authority.
should be a stern warning for those of us on this side of the pond.
Steve499
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Maybe they're getting ready for the good old double-dog ban. That'll fix it!
matt87
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There were some discussions in the UK pro-shooting groups for now to be a good time to push our agenda into the cenbtre of the public domain, with an aim to get the more bombastic parts of the '88 and '97 laws repealled (19 years, 10 years). Thing is, there has just been a hgh-profile death of an 11-y-o boy shot and killed by some scummy neer-do-well.
scout26
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As opposed to the Not-Quite-So-Serious Organised Crime Agency (a section of the Ministry of Silly Walks).
Someone once said "The People in a Democracy get what they vote for, good and hard."
Let Britain and Austrailia be a lesson for those of us in the US.
Britains lunatic politicians answer to increased gun crime is to ban more types of guns, selfloading centrefire rifles in 1988 and handguns in 1997.
We have two types of licence for what is left.
1. Firearm certificate for which you have to justify to the Police a good reason for each firearm, (hunting or club membership).
2. Shotgun certificate, which is a bit easier to obtain and allows you to buy as many shotguns as you like (subject to sufficient security arrangements) without further justification.
The problem is that after any high profile gun crime they simply ban another type of firearm.
e.g. Recently here in Scotland a drug crazed man shot and killed a baby boy with a air rifle. Despite the fact that the gunman had been sold his drugs by the baby's parents the mother campaigned to have all air guns in Scotland outlawed and it looks like she will get her way. If and when this happens hundreds of thousand of air gun owners will be told to surrender them without compensation. Of course many will not comply which will mean they will be in possesion of a illegal gun which with the present law means that they will be liable for a mandatory five years in jail.
It looks like a bleak outlook for not only gun owners but all people here in the the pro/criminal anti/good citizen UK.
For a humerous but factual look at life in politically correct UK go to.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...id=1772&in_article_id=477375&in_author_id=322
We have two types of licence for what is left.
1. Firearm certificate for which you have to justify to the Police a good reason for each firearm, (hunting or club membership).
2. Shotgun certificate, which is a bit easier to obtain and allows you to buy as many shotguns as you like (subject to sufficient security arrangements) without further justification.
The problem is that after any high profile gun crime they simply ban another type of firearm.
e.g. Recently here in Scotland a drug crazed man shot and killed a baby boy with a air rifle. Despite the fact that the gunman had been sold his drugs by the baby's parents the mother campaigned to have all air guns in Scotland outlawed and it looks like she will get her way. If and when this happens hundreds of thousand of air gun owners will be told to surrender them without compensation. Of course many will not comply which will mean they will be in possesion of a illegal gun which with the present law means that they will be liable for a mandatory five years in jail.
It looks like a bleak outlook for not only gun owners but all people here in the the pro/criminal anti/good citizen UK.
For a humerous but factual look at life in politically correct UK go to.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...id=1772&in_article_id=477375&in_author_id=322
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sterling180
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I feel the same way about Major,Howard,Hurd,Mellor and yes,Mr Brown.They all have one thing in common with one another:They are all a bunch of lying,greedy,money-grabbing pieces of scum who sold the UK shooters out,twice in the case of Howard,Hurd and Mellor.Brown clearly resembles them anyway,and he won't makle any effort to correct Blair's legacy,at all.
For a men like Douglas Hurd and Micheal Howard,who both own shotguns,it made me very angry when I heard that both of them didn't do enough to support their fellow shooters.Howard makes sporadic appearences at gun venues and fairs,but he isn't made to feel welcome by anyone,because he and Hurd or more appropriately Turd,helped pass two acts of Parliament,outlawing various types of guns.Howard even shot an slr and posed with one about 20 to 23 years ago.
sterling180
Must say I entirely agree about your opinion of politicians mentioned.
Did you know Dougla Hurd was fined five pounds in 1975 for posession of shotguns without a licence?
http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/polin/polin047.pdf
Go to page 7/8
Today under present legislation he would/should have got the mandatory 5 years jail sentence.
Of course you know the trouble with most of them........They threw the wrong half away at birth.
In the 40 years I have been shooting I seen nothing but more unecessary legislation I remember when shotguns were sold freely and without any licence untill 1967 when three criminals killed three detectives with off ticket handguns so in their wisdom the politicians licenced shotguns???
25 Pdr
Must say I entirely agree about your opinion of politicians mentioned.
Did you know Dougla Hurd was fined five pounds in 1975 for posession of shotguns without a licence?
http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/polin/polin047.pdf
Go to page 7/8
Today under present legislation he would/should have got the mandatory 5 years jail sentence.
Of course you know the trouble with most of them........They threw the wrong half away at birth.
In the 40 years I have been shooting I seen nothing but more unecessary legislation I remember when shotguns were sold freely and without any licence untill 1967 when three criminals killed three detectives with off ticket handguns so in their wisdom the politicians licenced shotguns???
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Fosbery
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Sterling180:
Howard said in an interview that he regretted banning handguns but that he would probably not repeal the ban if he came to power. What a ****!
The current Conservative leader, David Cameron, goes deer stalking in Scotland. I don't know whether he owns a rifle or uses someone elses though.
No.
You might also like to know about a Mr. Peter Luty. He's an Englishman who wrote a book called Expedient Home Made Firearms (available on Amazon and other online bookshops). The book describes in detail how to construct a firearm that is both as effective as possible and as expedient as possible for ordinary people to make and use in, say, case of invasion or tyranny. To be exact, it is a smooth-bore 9mm submachinegun. In the course of writing the book he made a working example and acquired six rounds of ammunition. He was sentenced to four years in prison for posession of a prohibited weapon, and an additional 12 months in prison for illegally posessing ammunition. Despite the judge and even the prosecution admitting that he was in no way a danger to himself or anybody else, and despite multiple prison psychologists and the prison chaplain reccomending he be released early (especially in light of his mother's death during his imprisonment, and his father's continued illness) he was forced to serve the whole five years because of "his continuing views over gun ownership and use" i.e his opposition to gun control.
Howard said in an interview that he regretted banning handguns but that he would probably not repeal the ban if he came to power. What a ****!
The current Conservative leader, David Cameron, goes deer stalking in Scotland. I don't know whether he owns a rifle or uses someone elses though.
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You might also like to know about a Mr. Peter Luty. He's an Englishman who wrote a book called Expedient Home Made Firearms (available on Amazon and other online bookshops). The book describes in detail how to construct a firearm that is both as effective as possible and as expedient as possible for ordinary people to make and use in, say, case of invasion or tyranny. To be exact, it is a smooth-bore 9mm submachinegun. In the course of writing the book he made a working example and acquired six rounds of ammunition. He was sentenced to four years in prison for posession of a prohibited weapon, and an additional 12 months in prison for illegally posessing ammunition. Despite the judge and even the prosecution admitting that he was in no way a danger to himself or anybody else, and despite multiple prison psychologists and the prison chaplain reccomending he be released early (especially in light of his mother's death during his imprisonment, and his father's continued illness) he was forced to serve the whole five years because of "his continuing views over gun ownership and use" i.e his opposition to gun control.
matt87
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I had heard of Luty and his exploits, but surely that borders on political imprisonment...
BTW Fosbery, you reckon buying Luty's book in the UK might cause problems police/FAC-wise?
BTW Fosbery, you reckon buying Luty's book in the UK might cause problems police/FAC-wise?
sterling180
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Oh yeah,does he? Well so much for his supposed green liberal life-style,then.
Another lying Tory slimeball,who should just admit that pretending to be a caring green leader,won't get him anywhere,other than criticism.Deer-stalking with a firearm is really acceptable,with his liberal lifestyle.
Well prosperity may just be around the corner for us,at the next election and Mr blue-blood Cameron,should just admit that he is a toff and a traditionalist,instead of a fraudster,pretending to be green and lush,thus competing with Labour.I mean it's quite obvious that alot of people can see visable cracks in his facade.
I always suspected Cameron as being into blood-sports,because of his background and Blair,might of done this too,because of his background,as well.
I think I know why that is:It is because Howard had a run in with members of the GCN,who promptley hounded him after he refused to put any restrictions on airguns/airsoft/Ram markers/ guns,if and when he came into office.He addressed the Scottish Conservative party in Edinburgh,that day and they were waiting for him.
What a bloody coward,because its obvious that people know he's a shooter and that he he likes guns.
The reason why the GCN were making a stink was,because Mark Bonini,an Italian-Scotsman fired an air rifle at a teenaged kid carrying the baby Andrew Morton.Morton was seriously injured and later died.Bonini was upset and distraught because he intended for the kid to be hurt and not the baby.The idiots pellet ricoched and hit the baby,instead.
Fosbery
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I don't think so but it's up to the police what they think constitutes "intemperate habits" etc. If you were refused a grant or renewal because of owning a book about guns (you are wanting to buy guns afterall!) I'd be very suprised. I would also take it to court as I can't see that standing up.
They would also need to know you bought the book. As far as I know there is no way that they could find out unless they saw it at your house when they do the security check - so make sure it's stowed out of sight
ftierson
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'Security check', eh...?
Sign me up for one of those -- NOT...
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Sign me up for one of those -- NOT...
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SoCalShooter
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Your kidding right? The Brits have obviously lost their minds. How can anyone in their right minds think this is going to stem the violence.
sterling180
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No I didn't,but as always with polititions:there's one rule for them and one rule for us.Talk about Hurd,claiming to be a responsible politition,to everyone.
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