Gun Manufacturers you love to hate (Ruger?) or . . .

[9mmforMe]

"I used to shoot 4 vaquero's, all shot about 5 inches from where you aim"

4 guns of the same model huh? If this was the case then I would say there was an incompatability issue with you and the handguns in question. You obviously don't shoot the Ruger Vaquero well, and probably due to no fault of your own, nor that of the manufacturer...incompatability, it happens.

I have owned the SP101 and P95. I thought the SP101 was a fine revolver, but I just couldn't hit where I wanted with the two I owned at the time. Now the P95 feels better in my hand than ANY other handgun, it fits, its compatible, I make my hits exactly where I want them.

Nothing but love for Ruger here.

I don't hate any other manufacturers, but do stay away from Taurus' products due to many problems with several of their revolvers. Interestingly, their CS was very good, though this was 15 years ago.

 

[rozziboy18]

i love rugers. i hate there qc,mainly on the mk2 pre-hawkeye. there is something about the way they look and feel that i just love! being said, i hate there stocks and there triggers suck! my m77 came from the factory with a 6 pound+ trigger!!!!

i have a love hate relationship with GLOCK. i love the way they carry, i forget im wearing my 23c half the time, when i carry it. i hate the "GLOVERS" that insist that it is the greatest gun ever made and rundown anything else put in front of them. with that kind of following it makes it hard for me to drop the cash on one. much the same as the porsche drivers stigma

 

[Big Bill]

It's not Ruger! Isn't it Jim Zumbo we're supposed to dislike? I thought we were all agreed, and that it's now ZUNBO!

 

[9mmforMe]

Big Bill..try that one by me again? What?

 

[Marshall]

I'll consider any good quality gun.

There aren't any I absolutely won't buy based on the company. I'm not a Moon fan but still look at their offerings for consideration.

As far as Ruger goes, I've never had anything but good quality and accurate guns from them. Two Redhawks and a GP-100.

 

[Cosmoline]

Company Officials pass, neither Horrace Smith or Daniel Wesson, who created the company and built the image of the company, did anything stupid such as Ruger did.

So? Smith and Wesson THE COMPANY executed a VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT with the worst gun-grabbers in the Clinton administration. That's the COMPANY you are BUYING FROM working with the ENEMY. As bad as Ruger shooting his mouth of was, he was speaking for himself and Ruger the company never executed an agreement with Clinton. Plus, Ruger was taking his positions in the late 80's, while S&W took its corporate position in 2000 when it should have known better.

http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/New/html/20000317_2.html

In other words, you are willing to condemn Ruger the company for something it literally never did, but give S&W a pass for something it actually did do.

Gun makers are in it to make money, they're not always the nicest or best people. Ruger saw a chance to both mollify the gun grabbers while protecting his company's bottom line against the wondernines.

Personally I expect companies to act in their self interest, and I don't get hung up on S&W's position with Clinton. That's the decision they thought best at the time, and they've since tried to distance themselves from it. I prefer Ruger revolvers because they're stronger and more practical for my purposes than S&W. But boycotting S&W makes little sense at this date. Boycotting Ruger for something its founder did a generation ago makes even less sense.

 

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

Never say never---but companies I'll most likely never buy anything from:

Remington
Springfield Armory
CZ
Taurus
Rossi
Kimber

 

[Broken Anvil]

My Ruger experience is the following,

1. Ruger Security Six - wouldn't empty a complete cylinder on double action without hanging up, fixed by gunsmith.
2. Ruger Blackhawk in 45 Colt - wouldn't even turn the extra 45 ACP cylinder, fixed by gunsmith.
3. Ruger M77V in .308 - Factory recall for safety, fired a hole through my truck door........guess they weren't kidding.
4. Ruger Mark 1 - numerous problems, fixed by factory.
All firearms bought new from dealer.

Do I hate them....no. But a lesson earned is a lesson learned.

 

[m500'92]

4 guns of the same model huh? If this was the case then I would say there was an incompatability issue with you and the handguns in question. You obviously don't shoot the Ruger Vaquero well, and probably due to no fault of your own, nor that of the manufacturer...incompatability, it happens.

No, several people shot these guns, 2 were sent to a gunsmith to have them fixed. The barrels just weren't screwed on straight.

So? Smith and Wesson THE COMPANY executed a VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT with the worst gun-grabbers in the Clinton administration. That's the COMPANY you are BUYING FROM working with the ENEMY. As bad as Ruger shooting his mouth of was, he was speaking for himself and Ruger the company never executed an agreement with Clinton. Plus, Ruger was taking his positions in the late 80's, while S&W took its corporate position in 2000 when it should have known better.

That wouldn't be the entire company, that would be the company officials or owners that made that deal, which as I said both have changed hands since that time. And yes Ruger didn't make an agreement, but he made a policy not to sell anything that went against the same restrictions that clinton made, I certainly don't think that's any better.

 

[Cosmoline]

That wouldn't be the entire company, that would be the company officials or owners that made that deal

They were acting for the company. So yes, the entire Smith & Wesson company made the deal. That's how corporations operate. Bill Ruger's political views did not bind Ruger the company. He was not signing a contract on behalf of the company, but was speaking for himself. Ruger the company was not bound by his views.

That leaves you with the very thin reed of Ruger's failure to sell high caps for the few firearms they made that operated with magazines. This just means that the aftermarket companies making them already took up the slack. So if Ruger's grand plan was to keep people from using high caps with Mini-14's, that plan didn't get far.

 

[Guns and more]

Also, why does everyone hate Ruger?

I don't. I have a P-345 which started my love of semi-auto's.

One's I like:

Springfield
H&K
Kahr
Sig
Mossberg
CZ
Seecamp
Colt
Ruger
Bond

and there might be more in the future.

So far, no Glocks. I just can't get excited.

 

[FruitCake]

The only Ruger I've ever owned was the LCP and I really never grew fond of it because the finish started wearing off in about 3 weeks of holstering it. And I do mean wearing off as the bluing was worn off the front complete off the gun about 3/4 of an inch from the barrel end. Not impressed especially when my Keltec 32 still has the bluing on it and I split their holster time 50/50. I ended up selling it before the rest of the bluing was gone.I won't be repurchasing another one. I really want to get a Kahr 380 or a kahr PM9. Besides the LCP I still havent seen a Ruger that has caught my eye.

 

[lonegunman]

I think Ruger's MKI and MKII 22 autos are one of the most accurate 22 pistols ever made. The ergonomics and the trigger both suck but can be fixed, once fixed they are very competitive bullseye guns.

They are not friendly to modified guns and some of their comments are not helpful to gun owners in general. BUT, they customer service has always been good to me and they are made in America and a public company.

I hate most of what has become the "Freedom group" of companies. They are sliding in quality and rising in price a bit to fast for my taste.

 

[gunaholic2]

Looks and quality are important

I absolutely love Ruger products. I have had the SP101, Blackhawk, New Single Six, 10/22's and finally the GP100 stainless. They make a rock solid piece of equipment with great looks to boot. I have never had a single problem with any of them. My friends like Ruger for the same reasons. Also, they give you a "Big Bang, for the Buck." When I look at the S&W's, the prices are soooo much higher. However, I know they are an excellent gun, but I just can't see the extra dollars. This is only my opinion. But all things considered, I just like the looks and the quality of ALL the Rugers. Keep up the good work, Mr.Ruger.

 

[CZguy]

Keep up the good work, Mr.Ruger.

He passed away awhile back.

 

[TexasBill]

I don't hate Ruger. I've owned a few and they have been good firearms. Would like to get a Mini-14 one of these days. The late Mr. Ruger's opinions are not a concern to me but he had every right to them.

I would like to see Ruger bring back their .44 Magnum carbine. I had one of those and really liked it.

I like Smith & Wessons. I personally believe the "deal with the devil(s)" was a matter of corporate survival. I would rather have Smith & Wesson handguns than watch the company get litigated into oblivion.

There are lots of companies whose leadership I find less than desirable but why should I deprive myself of a product that I like just because I don't agree with the CEO? More than that, why should I endanger the livelihoods of many people because of the actions of people over whom they have no control? The boycott of Smith & Wesson cost 125 workers their jobs but the president just switched to another Tompkins company where he was also president: he didn't even miss a paycheck. Nice going, NRA!

Furthermore, while we condemn Tompkins PLC for dealing with the Clinton Administration, we forget to thank them for bringing quality back to Smith & Wesson. It had become very poor during the years before Tompkins bought the company.

I also like Walther, Beretta and SIG Sauer and have a very high opinion of FN Herstal - the FNP pistols have to be some of the best values on the market today.

I don't hate Glocks but I will never own one. They don't feel right to me. I won't own a Kimber; I can't figure out why someone would pay $1,000 for a pistol and then shell out more so it will work. Also, I don't like beavertails. About the closest to political I get is Kahr: I won't buy a Kahr because I won't contribute to Reverend Moon.

Bryco, Jennings and their ilk could all disappear tomorrow and I wouldn't miss them.

So I don't really hate Ruger or any other gun company; it's all just a matter of preferences in the actual firearm that count in my book.

 

[kaferhaus]

I'm not a "hater" but I won't work on Ruger 77s (many other smiths won't work on them either) with the exception of doing trigger or stock work. This has caused some of my customers some chagrin... because many of them have crap barrels installed. That situation has gotten much better since they moved barrel production back in-house.

Ruger revolvers are some fine weapons though. They did screw up when they first released the Vaquero as many of them had poorly indexed front sights.... how QC let those get through is simply amazing... you could look down the barrel and see the sight was canted very easily... yet they released hundreds of them that way..

Remington's quality has taken a nose dive over the past 15yrs and they seem to care less. While on the other hand the quality over at Savage steadily increased without prices going through the roof.... proof that it can be done.

Glocks are very good utility pistols, reliable as can be wanted but not very accurate, the ergonomics are lousy and their just plain ugly. I don't own any.

Colt.... well not the Colt of yesterday... prices have gone through the roof with no real improvement in the product.

S&W seems to be getting back on track despite some forays into the plastic gun market like the Sigma.....yuck.

Kimber.... well overpriced for what you actually get from them, but they know how to make a pistol pretty.

Springfield Armory.... very hit or miss quality as they're always looking for cheaper ways to put guns together with farmed out parts. I have made a lot of money working on them though....

Browning, still some quality products even though they don't actually make anything much themselves.

Marlin, best lever gun ever mass produced but they've been sold to Remington so look for that to change for the worse. Everything else they make is only so-so.

 

[CraigC]

Colt.... well not the Colt of yesterday... prices have gone through the roof with no real improvement in the product.

Colt has made vast improvements in the SAA over the last couple years. I suspect USFA cut into their profits with a better gun at less money. Some would argue that the current SAA is the best it's been since the 2nd generation guns.

 

[m500'92]

Marlin, best lever gun ever mass produced but they've been sold to Remington so look for that to change for the worse.

Yeah that's almost a sure thing now that they'll be made by Remington. And I wonder how much of their line will be kept?