'Gun porn' should be on the top shelf say animal rights groups (UK)

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In a new report Animal Aid claims that the “lurid, pro-violence content" of country sports magazines could have a "corrosive, long-lasting effect on impressionable young minds”.
But shooting organisations dismissed the campaign as “pathetic”, pointing out that the magazines promote responsible use of guns and conservation of the countryside.
There is no minimum age for holding a shotgun licence in the UK, however children under 18 cannot buy or own a gun themselves and children under 14 must be supervised by an adult.
The report, ‘Gunning For Children: How the gun lobby recruits young blood’, argues that magazines promoting guns should be put on the top shelf alongside pornography and tobacco and banned for sale to under-18s.
It claims the magazines sold in WH Smith [large magazine outlet] and supermarkets show pictures of young children holding up or standing over shot pheasants, rabbits, foxes and pigeons and "glorifies" cruelty. Andrew Tyler, the Director of Animal Aid, said that if people do not learn to shoot by the age of 14 the chances of them subsequently getting involved rapidly diminish. He said the campaign would encourage customers to lobby supermarkets and newsagents to put shooting magazines on the top shelf.
"Children who kill animals for sport in urban areas are considered dysfunctional and a social menace. Yet Britain has a gun lobby, composed of well-connected groups, that devotes considerable resources towards encouraging children to take up guns at a young age.
"Their actions are damaging not just to wildlife but also to the emotional development of young people."
Professor Peter Squires of the University of Brighton [Gun Control Network's tame academic] said children under 14 are not allowed to shoot without supervision yet they can look at adverts for guns and pictures of dead animals.
“Shooting magazines celebrating the casual cruelty” of shooting wild animals – a kind of “shooting porn” – should not be on sale to children and young people (under 18),” he said. “Shops and retail outlets selling such magazines should position them both out of reach and sight of children and young people.”
He also said shooting organisations should not be allowed to educate children in schools about country sports. "Fostering healthy and environmentally-conscious attitudes to nature and wildlife conservation is fundamentally inconsistent with deriving pleasure and enjoyment from shooting animals for fun," he added.

Simon Clarke, of the British Association of Shooting and Conservation, pointed out that shooting magazines only promote the responsible use of guns to control pests or as part of country sports. He said the death of the animals itself is not the aim and is not glorified in any way. “Shooting is carried out for a number of reasons. It is either just pest control or shooting game. There is no glorification of the shooting itself, it is a means to an end.”

David Taylor of the Countryside Alliance said shooting magazines educate readers about safety and nature conservation as well as promoting an important part of the rural economy. “Tobacco and pornography is on top shelves because there is an age limit but there is no limit for anyone of any age to have access to country sports," he said. “Shooting is a perfectly legitimate interest and hobby. You can't just ban something because you don't like it. Lots of people don't like cars but they don't ban magazines about motor sports."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/co...n-the-top-shelf-say-animal-rights-groups.html
 
There's a difference between a child killing an animal for food and killing an animal for torture. Unless the author is a vegan, I'd appreciate him shutting up about hunting being animal cruelty. And if he is a vegan, I'd appreciate him letting me eat meat the way my omnivorous body is intended to.

I'm going to not respond on the subject of kids and firearms, because it has already been well established here that teaching safety instead of mysticism goes a long way to prevent accidents.
 
Wait...so endless television shows depicting guns as nothing but instruments of violence is not damaging to a child....but a responsible and honest depiction of guns as tools and hobbies, complete with articles about gun safety and proper handling, is? Twisted, and so shamefully obvious.
 
Please look at where MK VII is posting from prior to being insulting.

Al
 
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And I thought this thread was going to be about scantily clad models holding large caliber weapons standing next to some big game animal. :(

Thank goodness our founders had the sense to break away from that gang 236 years ago.
 
Every time I hear of something like this, I think of all the Prairie Dogs I saved from a horrible slow death by hawk and owl or by their homes being paved over by new development.

My .223 was quick and painless. I used to be paid by loocal farmers and ranchers to thin out their herds.

ETA: Of prairie dogs.... not livestock, of course.

Terry, 230RN

Terry Starting To Thin Out the Praire Rats Before Calving Season:

prairiedog.jpg
 
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So then what do they want to put on the shelves that these children read?? Perhaps the scandal rags that drag dirt about anyone that they can out of the dumpster or publish outright lies. Or the models that are "enhanced" so that young teens are made to believe that starving and anorexic is what is in fashion.:banghead: -------------OH WAIT truth seldom sells as well as garbage.:cuss: Let them show what firearms are really for.:)
 
I believe the antigun research showed decades ago that the then current gun owners and sports shooters were introduced to shooting by a parent or older relative at an early age. I think that is a motive for a lot of the age limits in modern gun laws: social engineering to break the cycle of introduction into the "gun culture".

This policy of teating guns as "adults only" has the unintended consequence of giving guns a "forbidden fruit" allure to youth and the authorities indoctrinate youth to think of guns as weapons only, actually promoting a "gangsta" gun subculture while destroying the responsible recreation, sporting, self-defense, military preparedness and farm utility gun culture.
 
Step one: gun control.... check!
Step two: thought control...

ETA: Fortunately, there ARE still plenty of Brits who oppose this kind of nannyism. Give 'em heck, Lincolnshire! (Fight the ban!)
 
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Please look at where MK VII is posting from prior to being insulting.

Al

Oops! Apologies. I jumped the gun and went off half cocked. Forgive me. I was not trying to insult anyone. If I did, I must have mastered the art without even trying.
 
Mk. VII: There aren't any lobby groups in Parliament somewhat similar to PACs in the US, are there?

My wife and I were in Windsor, York and Windermere last May. Really enjoyed it.
In York's medieval old town, I quickly spotted a hobby shop with numerous gun replicas near the Minster, and they also seemed to sell pellet guns.

If bb or pellet guns require no licensing (I have no idea), must they be used at handgun or rifle ranges, or private land?
 
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I feel bad for our brethern from england

I visit there for business many times a year.

Some of my friends there used to have free ownership of weapons


Before they made them illegal..... These gun owners

NEVER THOUGHT IT WOULD HAPPEN THERE

They are a lesson on why we MUST speak up when 2A is attacked


This seems to be a another attempt to control even further, the extremely limited gun ownership (
hunting only, highly regulated)

The next time anyone goes to Heathrow and use a computer in an admirals club you will notice that even a search for anything "gun" is blocked.....


To the OP....... Keep up the faith
 
I remembler back in the 80's? that convenience stores here had to put Playboy and or whatall behind the counter. Now check out the internet. Like that really worked for anything.
Do you guys ban/limit gun content on the internet over there?
 
If these anti gun / anti hunting groups can get their way in this matter I would expect them to go for censorship of gun related material on the internet as well.
 
Now check out the internet. Like that really worked for anything.

Hey, that is so not true. Most adult websites have a rigorous security check requiring someone to enter their age or certify they are over a certain age. It is such a complex system that kids will never break through!

You are right, though. I know we have a few under-18ers who have posted actual, thought out questions on this forum (and a few others who've made a few posts and quit when "which .50 BMG for HD" didn't get treated with enthusiasm).
 
Didn't take two weeks from gold medal winners at the Olympics to 'dissuade the young from taking up sport'.

There aren't any lobby groups in Parliament somewhat similar to PACs in the US, are there?
Politics works in a very different way here. Lobbying does happen, but more behind the scenes.

If bb or pellet guns require no licensing (I have no idea), must they be used at handgun or rifle ranges, or private land?

Private land, however Scotland is about to start registration and licensing of pellet guns so what they will end up with there is unclear.
 
BB and pellet guns are already considered firearms in the UK if over 6 or 12 foot pounds for a pistol or rifle respectively.

So by law the ones sold there are already weaker than many you can buy from your local sporting goods store in the US.

For example your typical ~$100 springer at a store like Walmart can be well over 12 foot pounds.
These would be firearms and require a firearm license. Not just a shotgun license, but a more difficult to obtain firearm license if I recall right.



Airsoft guns shooting the little yellow plastic pellets that look realistic must legally be transported in a case and require someone be a registered 'skirmisher'.
Thats right it is more difficult to own and use an airsoft gun in the UK than a firearm in most of the US.

Defences to the act are available for the following:
a museum or gallery
theatrical performances and rehearsals of such performances
the production of films and television programmes
the organisation and holding of historical re-enactments
crown servants.[15]

The notes for the VCRA state the following: "The regulations provide for two new defences. The first is for the organisation and holding of airsoft skirmishing. This is defined by reference to "permitted activities" and the defence applies only where third party liability insurance is held in respect of the activities." and "The defence for airsoft skirmishing can apply to individual players because their purchase of realistic imitation firearms for this purpose is considered part of the "holding" of a skirmishing event."[16]

The airsoft defence is based on whether or not a person is a skirmisher. One of the measures put in place by retailers was the forming of a centrally recorded and maintained database. This system is managed by the United Kingdom Airsoft Retailers Association or UKARA. UKARA shares the database of registered skirmishers with the member retailers allowing quick and easy verification that the purchaser is allowed to buy a RIF under the VCRA skirmisher defence. To qualify for the UKARA database a person must be a regular skirmisher (i.e. skirmish three or more times in no less than two months, and typically at one site) in order to be registered and the airsoft site they register/skirmish at must hold public Public Liability Insurance.

As long as a person can prove that they are an airsoft skirmisher, they may purchase RIFs. This can be done successfully by either joining the UKARA database (although this is not a legal requirement, and as such, is not recognised by the Home Office as having any legal authority over airsoft skirmishers) or other means, such as ordering a RIF from outside the UK and ensuring the parcel is marked in such a fashion that if Customs were to stop the parcel they can check the purchaser's validity to purchase said RIF.

Airsoft is not prohibited to persons under the age of 18, nor is owning a RIF, although the only way they are able to obtain a RIF or IF is by being given the item as a gift or by having parental consent.

Owning any airsoft weapon be it RIF or IF is permitted to said persons if they are under the age of 18, be it by parental consent or by a gift however if someone under the age of 18 attempts to purchase an airsoft weapon, it is considered a felony and may result in a fine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_issues_in_airsoft

TABLE 2: AIR WEAPON OFFENCES AND PRESENT PENALTIES

Offence Maximum penalty
Carrying a loaded air weapon in a public place 6 months imprisonment and/or £5,000 fine
Trespassing with an air weapon 3 months imprisonment and/or £2,500 fine
Trespassing on private land with an air weapon 3 months imprisonment and/or £2,500 fine

Possessing or using air weapon if sentenced to
3 months or more in custody: 3 months imprisonment
and/or £2,500 fine


In addition:


— if sentence of three years or more 3 months imprisonment
and/or £2,500 fine 5 year ban on use of firearms

— if sentence of three years or more life ban on use of firearms


Killing or injuring any bird or protected animal unless authorised £5,000 fine
Firing air weapon within 15m/50ft of a road or street £1,000
Selling or hiring air weapon or ammunition to person under 17 6 months imprisonment and/or £5,000 fine
Making a gift of air weapon or ammunition to person under 14 £1,000 fine
Having air weapon or ammunition with intent to damage property 10 years imprisonment
Having air weapon with intent to endanger life life imprisonment and/or appropriate fine
Using air weapon to resist or prevent arrest life imprisonment and/or appropriate fine
Threatening others with an air weapon (even if unloaded) to cause them to fear unlawful violence 10 years imprisonment and/or appropriate fine

http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/9508.htm

A child given a red ryder that shoots a bird outside their window for example results in multiple laws being broken.
This include the parent giving the child under 14 the gun, and ammunition. 1,000 pound fine. Killing bird without being unauthorized 5,000 pound fine. Firing it within 50 feet of a street if they are in a typical suburb, 1,000 pound fine.

Now if they are planning to go shoot that old tree down the road. That piece of public or private property, well then they qualify for 10 years imprisonment for intent to damage property.
 
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The late Great Britain has been on this path for a while.

Following WW2, all those small arms that we sent across the big pond for them to use against a looming German invasion were scrapped.

Following the Falklands War, all those FN-LARs that they seized from the Argentines were scrapped. I guess that British Parliament figures that another Adolph Hitler could never appear.

It's an interesting dilemma, but I'm not quite sure what the answer is.
 
Except that it wasn't a Nazi analogy or comparison. It was done to show that the mindset "It can't happen again" is alive and well in British politics...with the implication that this makes twice in less than 50 years that they've possibly scrapped the means of their future salvation.
 
Hunting has been closely regulated in Europe for over 200 years. The allure of the new world was plentiful game and no one to stop you from taking it. This is nothing new in the UK. All the land that is fit for hunting is privately owned. If you aren't rich or well connected there is no hunting opportunity. This is why they have a problem with people hunting in urban areas.
 
Except that it wasn't a Nazi analogy or comparison. It was done to show that the mindset "It can't happen again" is alive and well in British politics...with the implication that this makes twice in less than 50 years that they've possibly scrapped the means of their future salvation.

Sadly, it is a very appropriate reference, given the sad, desparate shape Europe is in now. Many countries over there are nearing a state similar to post WWI Germany; now is precisely the wrong time for more stable nations to be disarming themselves...

TCB
 
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