gun show "no ccw" sign ?

[moooose102]

the last gun show i went to had a "no ccw allowed" sign posted at the entrance. i was, and reluctantly went back to my truck and disarmed myself. it was right after i got my license, and i did not want to start anything. are these legal? or is it just for the promoters liablility?

 

[Rockwell1]

I think it depends on the law in your state

 

[1KPerDay]

In Utah such signs are polite suggestions, except in secure areas such as courthouses and airports.

 

[deadin]

In most States there is nothing legal or illegal about them. They are the conditions set by the owner/sponser of the show or business. The worse that can happen to you, if found out, is to be asked to leave or to be escorted off the premises. If you refuse, you can be charged with trespass.

 

[calaverasslim]

Many gun shows do not allow loaded weapons on the premises. In fact, you must present the weapon for a snap tie to make the gun unusable. Course, all you have to do is cut the tie.

Liability? I think so and I agree with it. Just makes sense to be safe. Recall the 12 year old shot several months ago in Boston?

 

[Sailor99]

You really should check your states laws. In Oregon, if a business is posted no firearms allowed, it carries the weight of law, and you can be arrested for trespassing. No verbal warning needed.

 

[Hawaiian]

And the gun shows in Oregon require that you present your firearm unloaded with the mag removed and they snap tie it. This is the shows rules, not any state law.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

I think it is a good idea for guns to remain unloaded at gun shows. There are just too many excited people handling too many guns for it to be any other way.

A young boy was killed a couple of years ago at a gun show here in Georgia. He was shot in the head with a gun that was supposedly unloaded.

 

[Art Eatman]

The owner or renter of a building has the legal right to set conditions for entry. (I'm not talking about such stuff as race/sex/sexual preference/etc. for restaurants and suchlike as that's not germane to this discussion. Nor are parking lots.)

So, if the owner or renter of some building says, "No CHLs," that's the end of the hunt. Either don't carry or don't go in.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Either don't carry or don't go in.

Or don't get caught.

Or if you do get caught, don't put up an argument if they ask you to leave.

In Georgia, the signs carry no legal weight, but if you get caught carrying, the owner can ask you to leave. If you don't leave, you have commited a trespassing offense.

 

[bensdad]

Same in MN. The signs have no legal weight. That being said, my carry gun is for carry... not show-and-tell. With the exeption of work, I carry everywhere.

 

[Burl]

In TX I vote by boycotting any business having the 30.06 sign (the legal TX sign which excludes concealed weapons). No CHL allowed then no CHL money.

 

[al g blenny]

Here in Cali we have a hard enough time keeping gun shows open. Cities like San Fransicko try to ban them all the time. Why the need to Carry a loaded gun into a gun show? I think this is the least likely place you will need it. It's much more likely bad will come of it than good. Follow the rules and stop trying to fight the system at every turn. The libs already have enough ammo (pun intended) with stuff like kids getting shot at a gun show.

 

[Girodin]

Nor are parking lots.)

Actually there is a bill right now in the UT legislature that addresses parking lots specifically since they are the property of the business owner just as much as the building is.

So, if the owner or renter of some building says, "No CHLs," that's the end of the hunt. Either don't carry or don't go in.

As has been stated above this is really a matter of state law. Some places those signs carry no weight other places they do. I tend to not do business places with signs even if they have no weight.

Why the need to Carry a loaded gun into a gun show?

I am not stating a position on this but that why the need line of arguementation is a very slippery slope when it comes to CCW.

 

[Krazeehorse]

Legal or not I think you should respect a property owners stance on CCW. I think the zip tie thing at shows is purely for liability. Is CCW dangerous at a gun show? Not if you leave it concealed. If you are shopping for a holster, mags or other accessories for it then unload and zip it. I'm with Burl on the boycott. One bank I deal with has a sign posted. That's almost retarded. I hope the bad guys respect it.

 

[gunfire876]

leve it in your holster

I've seen people try to trade their loaded ccw and having an "AD". I mean it is a personal decision if you decide to break any rules and no one will know if you just keep your ccw concealed.

 

[JohnBT]

"That's almost retarded."

No is isn't. Mental retardation is a developmental disorder... a very specific diagnosis.

www.faqs.org/health/Sick-V3/Mental-Retardation.html

Just in case you might like to know more about a word that is thrown around thoughtlessly.

John

 

[jh9x18ky]

I can understand the "No CCW or no loaded weapons" sign.... Public safety... not everyone who enters a gunshow is experienced or safe or even responsible when it comes to handling firearms. But if it is concealed, and you dont "advertise" it, who will know ? I have attended a gunshow with a CCW, and if I had been caught, I would have had to face the music.... My choice.

 

[larry_minn]

A sad fact is some people can't safely handle a gun in public. In MN in many places you can ignore the sign. BUT make sure. IF the show is in a school, NG Armory you can NOT carry.
Its kinda like some gun stores. They have "no carry weapons" signs out of self defense. People whip out guns to check holsters. -

 

[edhill]

{In Oregon, if a business is posted no firearms allowed, it carries the weight of law, and you can be arrested for trespassing. No verbal warning needed.}

no, wrong all a business or a person can do is ask you to go.
there is know prob tell you don't

 

[divemedic]

Except that, at least around here, the buildings where gun shows are held are all owned by the government. So there goes the private property argument.

I especially like the comments about some people are not safe enough to handle loaded guns, so everyone should be prohibited. I guess some people are the only ones professional enough...

 

[Lone_Gunman]

I especially like the comments about some people are not safe enough to handle loaded guns, so everyone should be prohibited.

I think the problem is that in the frenzied atmosphere of a gun show, some people forget the rules and do something stupid. I hear reports at least once a year of someone getting shot or a negligent discharge at a gun show. If this trend continues or increases, the anti gun crowd is going to use this as an excuse to eliminate gun shows as a public health menace, or require show organizers to carry so much liability insurance that the show becomes unprofitable.

I vote for everyone going unarmed or unloaded at gun shows. This is about the only venue where I would support that though.

 

[deadin]

the buildings where gun shows are held are all owned by the government. So there goes the private property argument.

Does "the government" sponsor the shows? If not, the decision falls to the whoever pays the rent.

 

[chris in va]

Every gunshow I've been to has that policy. They hand you a zip tie to run through the action.

 

[ants]

A gun show is a business, not a public convenience.

Remember that the Bill of Rights protects you from oppression by the government.
A gun show is a business, not a government. See Art's comments above.

'No loaded guns' has been the safety rule by the promoters at every gun show in our city since the 1980's. All guns must be unloaded and require the plastic zip tie.