el indio
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How about 45 LongColt? Shouldn't it be 45Colt? The other 45 is the ACP. How about the 1858 Remington revolver? I thought it was called the New Model.
Gun terms that are often confused...
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Carl N. Brown
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Almost. The other .45 cartridge issued by the Army for use in both the .45 Colt Single Action Army SSA and the .45 S&W Schofield revolvers for the cavalry was the .45 M1887 (Frankford Arsenal) which is a shorter cartridge that can be used in both. Nobody seems sure when or where the original .45 Colt was called .45 Long Colt to distinguish it, but yes, .45 LC is unofficial and unnecessary.
What does the "C" in "ACP" stand for?
SC Shooter
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I agree. At the start of my CWP class, the instructor held up a magazine in the air, and asked what was term for this item. Of the 12 in the clas, only a couple of us said magazine. I was amazed at the number who called it a clip.
The other one that gets me is saying automatic vs. semi-automatic or autoloader.
ACP = Auto Colt Pistol
savanahsdad
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I was at a gun show years back and asked an old timer to take a look at a gun he had on the table , I asked to see that "Pistol" ... and I got ed-ju-mu- kated !!! he said "You mean that Revolver" , I let it slide , but it bugged me enough that I looked it up when I got home , and he was right , a revolver is a revolver not a pistol . I've heard "Sam Clot loved his revolving pistols" but then again a motorcycle doesn't even have a motor on it.. it's an engine ! lol .....
Sam1911
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See, this is a good example of why such threads and pedantry in general is often a bad bet.
"Automatic" is a perfectly acceptable and precise noun for a self-loading firearm. "Is that a revolver or an automatic?" "We're going hunting, are you taking your pump or your automatic?" ... and so on. "Semi-" has now become the common slang for a self-loader, but "automatic" is the older and more exact term. Remember, JMB himself designed the .45 Automatic Colt Pistol cartridge, though he never designed a FULLY-automatic weapon to fire it in.
Likewise with clip-vs.-magazine, which can be clearly demonstrated to be a modern distinction that makes almost no difference at all except to those who are very concerned with being "in the know" ... or appearing to be.
Likewise with pistol -vs. - revolver, when the earliest patents prove that the intent was to build a "revolving pistol."
Generally, the more you study a subject, the more things you realize you didn't understand completely and the less ready you are to deliver a verbal beat down over any such quirk of language.
Thanks, I knew that. Read the post I was responding to and see if you can figure out why I asked that question.
savanahsdad
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I grew up always hearing "Clip" and when I got older and got in to guns It seemed to me clips were used in small arms and magazines were used in big stuff like military guns , then I found lots of folks called mags for 22lr pistols "clips" , but center fire guns like 1911's had mags, ? and in the last few years "Clip -vs- Magazine" has just been a way to beat up on the non-gun media , as posted above , Remington dose it .., some gun shops do it , heck my Grandfather did it for 80+ years , and so have I ,
so are the speed loaders for my "Pistols" called clips too
so are the speed loaders for my "Pistols" called clips too
Sam1911
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A certain rather well-known writer and teacher (and THR member) once referred to his as "rotary assault devices" when picking them up off the ground after a stage I was working at IDPA National Match some years back.
Pretty funny!
savanahsdad
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cool... to funny ..... did those "Rotary Assault Devices" use clips or magazines ?? and should we just call then RAD's
jcwit
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Words meaning changes as language is a work in progress. This happens over time.
Example the word "queer" used to be heavily used with no sexual meaning at all.
And remember the Christmas Carol about "now we don our gay apparel".
For those old enough, I remember the teachers telling all that the use of the word "ain't" was terrible and that there was no such word. Today it widely acceptable and is even in the dictionary.
Example the word "queer" used to be heavily used with no sexual meaning at all.
And remember the Christmas Carol about "now we don our gay apparel".
For those old enough, I remember the teachers telling all that the use of the word "ain't" was terrible and that there was no such word. Today it widely acceptable and is even in the dictionary.
anothernewb
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I've always been irked by bullet proof.
Godsgunman
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The main one that gets under my skin is the "clip/magazine" so much so that there have been some guns I have been interested in on armslist but the seller said "clip" instead of "magazine" so I didn't even bother contacting them. Silly? Yes but it just shows ignorance and it irks me. Just a pet peeve I guess.
Sam1911
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Are Remington and other manufacturers ignorant for using it that way? I mean, they MAKE them and have been around, and around guns, a lot longer than any of us. Seems like perhaps it's US that have the problem...
savanahsdad
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this sounds like the guy that corrected me on the revolver vs pistol thing ,, are you right ?.. was he ?? well yes , kind-of ,, have you ever rode an engine-cycle because that's what they are , sounds silly but a motor is electric , , and if I say my Ruger Standard has the clip with the chrome base on it you would know what I'm talking about , right ?, as for the pistol vs revolver , I just say handgun , all fixed ,
I think the hope is by those who made the effort, that by making a distinction between clip and magazine we can more accurately define what we are talking about. If enough people do that then the gun companies may stop using the terms interchangeably which will then change that in common usage. Consequently we in the gun community can then start influencing the use of other words and terms which are used incorrectly (assault rifle etc) and reflect negative connotations. It is the use of collective action that turns the tide of public opinion something conservatives and gun owners are not very skilled at.
BTW, a revolver is a type of pistol.
BTW, a revolver is a type of pistol.
Sam1911
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Ok, I guess, but if THEY'RE building the things and they want to call them "clips" who are we to tell them they are wrong? If they want to label that part, "No. 37 -- Blossoming Petunia" I suppose we're really not in a position to argue they can't call it whatever they want.
I can ... perhaps ... see why the "assault rifle" thing might be worth effort (though it is problematic and we're drawing a distinction that could hurt us in the bigger picture), but wasting effort on changing the world's opinion on which is a clip and which is a magazine? Bigger fish to fry, my friend!
I can ... perhaps ... see why the "assault rifle" thing might be worth effort (though it is problematic and we're drawing a distinction that could hurt us in the bigger picture), but wasting effort on changing the world's opinion on which is a clip and which is a magazine? Bigger fish to fry, my friend!
"Ok, I guess, but if THEY'RE building the things and they want to call them "clips" who are we to tell them they are wrong? If they want to label that part, "No. 37 -- Blossoming Petunia" I suppose we're really not in a position to argue they can't call it whatever they want.
I can ... perhaps ... see why the "assault rifle" thing might be worth effort (though it is problematic and we're drawing a distinction that could hurt us in the bigger picture), but wasting effort on changing the world's opinion on which is a clip and which is a magazine? Bigger fish to fry, my friend!"
Ah yes, they can call them whatever they want but wouldn't it be better if we eliminate the confusion between clip and magazine. Clip can mean different things. The distinction simply tries to clarify and be more accurate. Yes, bigger fish to fry, but how do you eat a whale? One bite at a time.
I can ... perhaps ... see why the "assault rifle" thing might be worth effort (though it is problematic and we're drawing a distinction that could hurt us in the bigger picture), but wasting effort on changing the world's opinion on which is a clip and which is a magazine? Bigger fish to fry, my friend!"
Ah yes, they can call them whatever they want but wouldn't it be better if we eliminate the confusion between clip and magazine. Clip can mean different things. The distinction simply tries to clarify and be more accurate. Yes, bigger fish to fry, but how do you eat a whale? One bite at a time.
savanahsdad
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here we send in for a CCW permit and they send you back a CCW License
jrmiddleton425
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In NYS, you go to the Pistol "Permit" Bureau and are granted a "license" to carry a pistol. And here, revolvers ARE pistols.
gamestalker
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We've all heard firearm functions and components applied incorrectly. But for a reloader it is difficult to leave it alone. Especially when someone is asking a question about some specific related to the process or components involved.
I think the worst one I ever heard was here on THR when someone once asked if grains referred to each individual granule of powder, really? Thank goodness they at least asked.
And the list goes on and on.
GS
I think the worst one I ever heard was here on THR when someone once asked if grains referred to each individual granule of powder, really? Thank goodness they at least asked.
And the list goes on and on.
GS
savanahsdad
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or ^^^^^ not using IMR or H- like saying " I like 4831 for that " hum H-4831 or IMR 4831
savanahsdad
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here there called handguns same as it is on a NICS check , long-gun or hand-gun no pistol and no revolver , there just handguns, and a CCW is a weapons license , for knifes , stun guns, clubs, and handguns
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