Gun terms that are often confused...
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Clip and magazine.
savanahsdad
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you mean magazine clip right , LOL
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The Germans (and a lot of other countries) were never consistent between rifle and carbine. As pointed out in this thread Remington calls some of their "magazines" "clips".
That engine=thermal thing made me smile. Trebuchet anyone?
While it is very important for engineering and science students to understand the difference between force and quantity of substance and the differentiation of "mass" and "weight" serves a good educational purpose it constantly frustrates me that so many come out of that education thinking that that modern teaching invention is historic use and that people who don't use it are wrong. I love to point out that humans while have been "massing" using balances for 3000 years, the "weighing" spring scale was not invented until 1864 (by Philipp von Jolly). The English word "weight" is about 700 years old and has been used for amount of substance as well early examples of using it as the draw force of a bow.
Someone will come along and make an invention for safety (changing the historic word "inflammable" to the made-up word "flammable" for example), military convention, political correctness, prudishness, education, etc. and that is just fine (biting my tongue). Where I have an issue is when they accuse other people of being "wrong" for not adopting their neologism.
Mike
PS. Personally I never use "Mizz" and only use gender in the grammatical sense and when I actually mean the new sociological sense. I still prefer Peking and feel quite gay over being vindicated with regard to St. Petersburg.
That engine=thermal thing made me smile. Trebuchet anyone?
While it is very important for engineering and science students to understand the difference between force and quantity of substance and the differentiation of "mass" and "weight" serves a good educational purpose it constantly frustrates me that so many come out of that education thinking that that modern teaching invention is historic use and that people who don't use it are wrong. I love to point out that humans while have been "massing" using balances for 3000 years, the "weighing" spring scale was not invented until 1864 (by Philipp von Jolly). The English word "weight" is about 700 years old and has been used for amount of substance as well early examples of using it as the draw force of a bow.
Someone will come along and make an invention for safety (changing the historic word "inflammable" to the made-up word "flammable" for example), military convention, political correctness, prudishness, education, etc. and that is just fine (biting my tongue). Where I have an issue is when they accuse other people of being "wrong" for not adopting their neologism.
Mike
PS. Personally I never use "Mizz" and only use gender in the grammatical sense and when I actually mean the new sociological sense. I still prefer Peking and feel quite gay over being vindicated with regard to St. Petersburg.
mdauben
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My take on some things.
Just keep in mind, English is a slippery and constantly evolving language and unlike some countries, there is no offical body to determine what is correct English.
While there may be a fine legal difference between the two, I think many people use them interchangably since they are used by various states for what appears to be the same thing, legal permission to carry a weapon concealed. For example, in AL we are issued a Pistol Permit, while in MA they are issued a Licence to Carry Firearm.
It seems to be common convention to use "pistol" only to refer to semiautomatic handguns, and exclude revolvers from the term. By the dictionary definition, however, pistol = handgun and would include both semiautos and revolvers.
Machine Pistol originally referred not just to fully automatic "pistols" but to fully automatic weapons firing pistol-caliber cartridges (i.e. submachineguns)
Just keep in mind, English is a slippery and constantly evolving language and unlike some countries, there is no offical body to determine what is correct English.
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There are some things that irk me personally, but I generally keep them to myself. I hate it when magazines are called clips. I hate it when shotshells are called bullets. But like Sam said earlier in the thread, we have bigger fish to fry.
I do take good natured jabs at the guys at deer camp when they say they shot a deer behind the "front" shoulder. I'll say something stupid like, "Yeah, you don't want to ever shoot them behind the rear shoulder." or "What other shoulder did it have?" They always pause for a moment and then laugh. "Front" shoulder is technically correct I guess, but not necessary because no animal has a rear shoulder.
But that's in good natured fun, not being a jerk.
I do take good natured jabs at the guys at deer camp when they say they shot a deer behind the "front" shoulder. I'll say something stupid like, "Yeah, you don't want to ever shoot them behind the rear shoulder." or "What other shoulder did it have?" They always pause for a moment and then laugh. "Front" shoulder is technically correct I guess, but not necessary because no animal has a rear shoulder.
But that's in good natured fun, not being a jerk.
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I haven't read the whole thread...
I find it annoying when people state "AR-15 for sale, chambered in .223" when they really mean it is chambered in 5.56mm. They aren't the same and I always need to ask.
I find it annoying when people state "AR-15 for sale, chambered in .223" when they really mean it is chambered in 5.56mm. They aren't the same and I always need to ask.
As several folks have so excellently pointed out, there are several definitions of an engine.
Also, there are several definitions of a motor.
But, if you re-read post #73, engines turning thermal energy into motion is stated as only ONE definition, not THE definition of an engine.
It would not be any fun if English made sense all the time.
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savanahsdad
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and you put motor oil in an engine , and with a M1 Garand you put the clip in the magazine 
oh and sewing machine oil works for gun oil , or is it gun lube
this thread has become a good vocabulary test , I might even learn too spell as good as I shoot
oh and sewing machine oil works for gun oil , or is it gun lube this thread has become a good vocabulary test , I might even learn too spell as good as I shoot
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Now, wait a minute. " ... a chamber which is integral with the barrel such as a ... revolver ... ". How can any of the chambers of a revolver be "integral with" (i.e., part of) the barrel? Are they talking about a Gatling Gun?
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Look up a Pepperbox.
"fast draw" and most people's actual speed (especially from concealment) "Rapidfire" and the rate of fire that most people can actually hit with (especially a bolt-action).. "Effective" and all but a very few controlable handgun loads. "Full expansion" and what most jhp's actually deliver. "Hi-velocity" and .22lr. "pointed" (ie, "spitzer" and most rifle bullets. A Berger VLD is fairly "pointy" but a 64 gr Winchester 223 sp aint.
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The only one that even remotely bothers me is the misuse of Point Blank Range. Mostly misused by the media and Hollyweird.
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As an engineer I am familiar with the term "heat engine" which is a subset of engines.
Mike
This will make the engine-motor discussion clear as mud.
http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=206484
Lots of engineers weighing in on the subject with opinions going both ways.
Back to the subject, yes, an M1 Garand is a good example of the difference between a clip and a magazine.
http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=206484
Lots of engineers weighing in on the subject with opinions going both ways.
Back to the subject, yes, an M1 Garand is a good example of the difference between a clip and a magazine.
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How is a clip different from a charger?
And comb. And aplomb.
I bought some clips and magazines for cheap at a gun show. They do not work with any of my collection, my sole goal was to explain to my grandchildren the difference. They also thought they were pretty cool items. I don't have enough time or inclination to try correct everybody on everything all the time. Mostly I don't let what others say bother me much, why waste "Much ado about nothing"?
I fired my first gun in around 1964. It was a single shot 22.
The next gun I shot, probably around 1967 or so, was a 20g shotgun that had a CLIP. It did not have a magazine because magazines come in the mail and sit on the back of the toilet(or outhouse for some of us). I never use the word CLIP when talking about guns/firearms/weapons but I don't get apoplectic when someone else does.
In Alabama we drink Coke. It can be a Dr. Pepper Coke but it's still a coke though modern advertising is changing that. I can deal with soda but hearing people say "Give me a pop" makes me want to scream.
It's a pistol whether it's a revolver or semi. Derringers are also pistols. Any of these can be divided into subsets without causing too much confusion. "I have a revolver AND a pistol".
The next gun I shot, probably around 1967 or so, was a 20g shotgun that had a CLIP. It did not have a magazine because magazines come in the mail and sit on the back of the toilet(or outhouse for some of us). I never use the word CLIP when talking about guns/firearms/weapons but I don't get apoplectic when someone else does.
In Alabama we drink Coke. It can be a Dr. Pepper Coke but it's still a coke though modern advertising is changing that. I can deal with soda but hearing people say "Give me a pop" makes me want to scream.
It's a pistol whether it's a revolver or semi. Derringers are also pistols. Any of these can be divided into subsets without causing too much confusion. "I have a revolver AND a pistol".
Gallagher has an entire bit with these types of words in the English language. Or is it the American language?
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Automatic and fully automatic. My 1911 is an automatic pistol firing the Automatic Colt Pistol cartridge, but heaven forbid it be correctly described as such by somebody in the media.
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He's right.
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I feel smarter for reading all of this thread btw.
Not really.
Not really.
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But a "Pepperbox" was hardly a typical revolver. Actually very much like a hand-held Gatling Gun.Look up a Pepperbox.
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Right, but the quote there specified it as specifically different from a "standard" (his word) revolver.
At the time Colt and his pals worked out their revolving cylinder designs, pepperbox handguns were not the complete rarities they are today.
At the time Colt and his pals worked out their revolving cylinder designs, pepperbox handguns were not the complete rarities they are today.
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