Gun Tests Magazine Trial = BEWARE

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I received an offer in the mail that would allow me to get 3 months (copies) of Gun Tests magazine at no cost and no obligation. I did receive two copies of the magazine in the mail and decided that it was not for me. The last issue arrived about 2 -3 months ago. Today I got an EARLY WARNING NOTICE from North Shore Agency notifying me of a $20 debt to Gun Tests!!!

Gun Tests turned me over to a collection agency, to which I must respond within 30 days or they will go after me for the money. In my 60 years on this planet I have never had to deal with such <removed>.
 
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Most or all of those "trial subscriptions" have some kind of gottya. I learned that many years ago and have never tried one again. Same goes for all kinds of "trials" and "freebies". I don't trust any of them. Watch out for companies that offer to set up automated payments too... for just about anything.
 
Ive had similar problems with magazines before. Usually a simple call and raising some cane will take care of it. But its still an annoying hastle. They will pull all kinds of tricks. Most the times its an internal collections department, not an actually collection agency. Just a scare tactic(imo, im not an expert) to get people to pay and get more magazines(or not more magazines). Part of the reason I have given up on most magazines I actually might enjoy reading. Sad that you cant find many honest business these days.

The little tricks when they send you CDs or books in the mail then claim you owe them money for said item is my favorite.

Just give them a ring, let them know they can either fix the problem or you can give the BBB a ring too.


Too keep my little ramble gun related lol....

I think the name is pretty obvious, but whats "gun test magazine" about. Is reviews and tests on new products? or a wider range of firearms? I assume that is wasnt all that good, seeing as you chose not to continue the subscription.
 
I used to subscribe. It's a good magazine. Sorry to hear about their billing process though.
 
A lot of free trials require you to contact them and cancel if you don't want to continue after the trial. It sucks but you have to read the fine print.
 
It is a bluff, IMO, not a real collection notice.
Gun Tests turned me over to a collection agency, to which I must respond within 30 days or they will go after me for the money.
I don't think this is a real collection agency. I've seen this scare tactic before with other magazines, as well as the NRA with their free DVDs. :mad: It probably appears or purports to be an attempt to collect a debt, but there is nothing they can actually do. You signed no contract promising to pay anything, and anything sent to you in the mail, by law, is yours to keep and use. THR doesn't permit foul language, or I would have a few suggestions as to what to say to them. :evil:
 
The NRA DVD's are sent unsolicited and without advance warning. They can't make you pay and you have no legal obligation to return them just as with anything that is sent to you unsolicited.

But he signed up for free evaluation copies which is a different deal entirely. I'm sure that if he reads the fine print it states that as a consequence of asking for and receiving the free copies he incurs some obligation to let them know if he doesn't want to continue receiving the magazines on a subscription basis after the first three. The bottom line is that it should have been very obvious that they weren't trying to give away magazines, they were trying to sell subscriptions. Typically, part of this type of agreement is that the trial subscription automatically turns into a paid subscription after the trial period if the customer doesn't cancel.

For what it's worth, I'm not a fan of Gun Tests, I don't subscribe and never have.
 
Gun Tests, at the time in 2008 that I gave up my subscription, was a magazine presided over by low-lifes.

I liked the mag at first. They're kinda flooky and idiosyncratic (will say two different guns performed and cost the same, and then rate one WAY lower than the other), but hey, opinions are like that, right?

Then, in April '06 they did a review of the Ruger Alaskan revolver (snubby Super Redhawk), caliber .454 Casull. They rated it "our pick." What's the catch? The NEVER TESTED IT WITH .454 AMMO, only .45 Colt: "We were confident we wouldn’t be able to damage the Alaskan with .45 Colt ammunition."

I sent them the following note:
me said:
In reviewing Ruger's Alaskan revolver, you use the phrase, "If we are to be chastised for not testing with full power .454 Casull rounds...." Let me remove the "If."

As a fan of big-recoil revolvers, with time spent behind the .500 S&W, the .475 Linebaugh, and even the .44 Magnum out of a 26-ounce, alloy revolver, I can provide some muzzle-blast. Under the interesting recoil of such guns, I have personally experienced, or talked to other shooters who personally experienced, the following: cylinder unlocking from a weak cylinder-stop spring; cylinder tie-up from bullet-creep in unfired rounds; a broken hammer pin; unexplained double-action misfires; and a rear sight that dematerialized.

Would any of these problems happen with the new Ruger Alaskan? Given your so-called review, WHO THE HECK KNOWS? It is ridiculous that you would declare a .454 Casull revolver reliable without ever testing it with that ammunition! (And no, it doesn't matter that it was cold, you were tired, and there was a deadline.) Why not simply dispense with range-testing entirely, and say, "Gosh, it sure looks sturdy--we bet it'll work fine!"

Three suggestions: next time, hire some pinhead like me, who actually enjoys this stuff, to do your high-recoil testing. Or, get your own sorry collective rear out of that chair, buy some shooting gloves, and ask someone--anyone--where the nearest range is. But, if you ever decide to do such half-anatomied testing again, please keep that report for personal use in the smallest room in your house, and don't waste your readers' time by running it.

Once you've printed this letter, you can consider yourself properly chastised.
They never printed it. Never even emailed me. Cowards couldn't take the whoopin' they earned.

Then, one of their writers, Ray Ordorica, APROPOS of NOTHING, printed a gratuitous swipe at Peter Capstick, the noted African hunter and author:
Ray Ordorica said:
I am sorry to disillusion you, but Capstick was the worst kind of charlatan. Capstick did indeed want you to think he knew a lot about rifles and hunting. He was an excellent story teller. But he didn’t know much about either rifles or hunting, because, you see, he was never a professional African hunter. He was a bartender. He was a standing joke to those who indeed were African professional hunters.

Capstick had been dead 12 years by the time they published this in 2008, which makes it impolite at least (don't speak ill of the dead), and cowardly and cruel at worst (because Capstick can't defend himself, and his family may bear the brunt of those words).

I wrote again, pointing out both the poor etiquette and also the fact that Ordorica had provided no substantiation for his opinion other than suggesting that readers contact "my friends at Holland & Holland."

Again, no response from Gun Tests.

Hey, everyone makes mistakes. But when they seem to stem from laziness (don't test a .454 Casull revolver with .454 Casull ammo?) or cowardess (attack a guy dead 12 years?) AND THEN CAN'T ADMIT THEIR MISTAKES...well, my conclusion is that these are not classy folks, and I'll keep my money, thanks.

The fact that they are now turning over to collection agencies those who accept their "free" offer comes as no surprise, although I do not know if it is part of a conscious scam or just sheer, inexcusable incompetence.
 
Bastards treated me the same way, and I never recieved my free copies. Just goes to show ya that thieves are everywhere, just waiting to take advantage of you. BEWARE!!!
 
North American Hunting Club did this to me. They gave me the free stuff and i DID NOT request it. And they said i have to pay the $20 membership. So i never gave them $20.
 
What really bugs me is when magazines send out early renewal notices at our "special prefered price" since you are a long time subscriber. If you look at their site on the web you can usually get a cheeper rate as a first time subscriber, so I send it back with a note that I will take the offer but at the new subscriber rate or they can cancel my current subscription and send me a refund. I just got a renewal notice for a magazine that is paid up til 10/12, I sent them my current mailing label and the renewal with a big red ?
 
What really bugs me is when magazines send out early renewal notices at our "special prefered price" since you are a long time subscriber. If you look at their site on the web you can usually get a cheeper rate as a first time subscriber, so I send it back with a note that I will take the offer but at the new subscriber rate or they can cancel my current subscription and send me a refund. I just got a renewal notice for a magazine that is paid up til 10/12, I sent them my current mailing label and the renewal with a big red ?
You are pretty much going to find that is the standard practice with just about any magazine ... and anything else that is "subscription" based (satellite TV, cable, newspapers, cell phones, long distance plans, etc, etc)

You going to stop using them too? Go back to watching the grass grow for entertainment and sending smoke signals for communication?
 
RE: Cable, internet, telephone, etc. services raising prices on established customers.

More often than not you can call customer service and tell them to either give you the same low rate as new customers or you'll cancel your service with them and go to their competition... and they'll do it. AT&T probably won't but no one should ever support that company anyway.:)

Avoid those "trial" subscriptions like they are the plague.
 
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A couple of guys already mentioned the NRA DVDs. That touched a nerve. Several years ago they sent me an unsolicited DVD out of the blue, then began demanding payment or that I return it. I kept the darned thing just on principle and never sent them a penny.

Needless to say I was extremely disappointed in the NRA. Fortunately they have not repeated that stunt, least not with me.
 
^^^ That's perfectly legal to do and a good strategy to help stop such nonsense. Eventually, if no one bends to their demands they'll stop wasting their money.
 
Gun test magazine did the same thing to me. I simply responded to their threatening letters by placing them in the trash can, and right before my eyes the problem went away.:neener:
 
I'm disappointed to hear about this. I've rather enjoyed the magazine, reading my father-in-law's subscription, but if they're this shady then I doubt I shall get my own subscription. I'll have to look into this.
 
Let me tell you a little about collections. There are two things that may happen, you can call the credit card company that you used and dispute the charge, they will put a halt on it automatically, if it's AMEX you won already, they always take the customers side. Visa and Master are still ok, depends on the bank.The chances are that they are running this through their own collection company, that's where the money is. When I had the Gym this was normal everyday part of doing business, people would actually sign, up for 3 years, use the facility, and not pay, until we caught them,sometimes if you ignore then they aren't going to bother going anyware with it.If they are real creeps they will say you owe the entire 3 or 5 years "whatever that small print, or their state law alows them to go after.Collection agencies can charge huge fees more than the original debt, but that's a scare tactic, I never saw one get it.It's more to scare the person into paying the 30 bucks than the thousand that they say they are going to sue for.Then there is the BBB, they can help a lot if there are a lot of complaints. Then there is usually a guy that will settle with you, he's the "best friend" guy, I'm going to do you a favor, I never do this ,bla bla,
You can try this, it worked for me once with a bogus medical bill that my insurance told me they would cover, then didn't.
You realize that once you make any payment, you are admitting to owing the money, here is another trick they use, "just send us what you can" I sent a check for a small amount, and wrote "final payment, paid in full" in the corner, they cashed it, when they called me again for the next payment, I asked them if they looked at the check before cashing it, "they almost never do" they get thousands. That was the end of it, they cashed the check admitting that I paid in full, and that was that.
I wouldn't have used that tactic if it was a legit bill, but the ins co denied payment on an mri that the doctor perscribed and that I checked on before and when I went in for it. Don't worry they told me It's all paid for. Yea until they changed their mind.
You have to decide what you can live with, I would call the credit card co. first and explain it to them just the way it happened. That may be the end of it.
PS: never give a cc number or routing or anything to anyone online, we recentlly had a bill from some guy in Germany buying musical instruments. It got taken care of in 3 days but they don't care, why would I who never used the card be in Germany buying musical instruments, it's a write off for them and we pay for it. The woman actualy asked me to call the store in Gemany and ask them. If you don't care, I don't, was my answer. They steal databases full of id from some store, and no matter how well you guard your stuff, if the store gets hacked, all your info is in the database.
 
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Just wondering. Did the "free trail offer" require you to do something to stop the subscription, like call or email the company with the words "Cancel my subscription." If it did and you didn't do so it's not fair to bash the company.

Oh I also played the free video game with the NRA. They haven't bothered me with any offers since.
 
I had a similar experience with Jackie Bushman and Buckmasters.
They called me and said I could get a magazine and a membership package for evaluation.
I told the guy he could send it with no obligation and i would look at the paper work and decide.
Well i got the stuff and it was junk so it went in the trash.
A month or so later I got a similar letter as yours claiming I owed them money and a threat to send me to a collection agency.
They are in Alabama and in that state they could calim I had an agreement over the phone.
Well I live in Florida and their sorry law does not apply across state lines
Well they stated calling me and harassing me demanding payment.
I went to the Federal trade commision and filed a complaint on their website.
I also went to the Alabama Better bussiness bureau and file a complaint and found out I was not the only one they were harassing.
I finally got a response from the Alabama Better bussiness bureau to the effect that Bushmaster had contacted them and told them they would not harass me anymore.
Sorry about the typos
Here is the link to the FTC
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
 
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