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there was a good artical on msn.com about how the lds people are prepaired for the shtf but they left out one vital componet. how many mormons do you know that dont have a guns? it's kinda spooky to know that some one may come kicking down someone's front door to get food in the end and be confronted by another famous Mormon...JM browning's 1911

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28392743/
 
Don't know for sure what happened, but you had double tapped and a mod deleted the other thread. Since this one had an empty first post, I restored the other one and merged them. Some type of server error, I guess.

Carry on.
 
how many mormons do you know that dont have a guns?

Don't know where you live dude, but I don't know any Mormons that don't own guns. I think Donny & marie even pack

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As a matter of fact I suggest you google Porter Rockwell and get back to us on that whole "Mormons don't have guns " thing
 
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Because of the way food distribution in America works it is a very good idea to stock up a little. Any number of things like a bank failur etc could stop you from buying food.

Guns should have been bought long ago and every man should be a rifleman by the age of 14.

jj
 
treo, I agree, I don't know any my self who don't have any. in fact Joseph Smith is said to have fired back with a peper box revolver on the day he was killed
 
Joseph Smith is said to have fired back with a peper box revolver on the day he was killed

I'd say the early history of the LDS church kinda bred a streak of self defense into them
 
The only Mormon I know (good friend of mine), was converted to LDS when he was in college; He is clueless about guns; never hunted; never occurred to him that he might want or need a gun for any reason. Never owned a gun until I gave him a rifle years ago as a gift; I don't think it's ever come out of his closet. :( He says he appreciates the gift, but just doesn't use it at all.
 
TRE0 - "As a matter of fact I suggest you google Porter Rockwell and get back to us on that whole "Mormons don't have guns " thing."

If you really want to know about Porter Rockwell -- Brigham Young's favorite "go to" assassin -- buy a copy of "Under The Banner Of Heaven, A Story Of Violent Faith," by Jon Krakauer, Anchor Books, Random House Publs., (c) 2003. (Soft cover.)

A very interesting book.

L.W.
 
I've been close to 2 Mormon families in my life. One family had no interest in guns, the other were all gun nuts just like me.

P.S. If JMB was alive today, he would look at a Glock, take it apart, and then redesign it with a decent trigger and ergonomics that actually fit the human hand.:neener:
 
It amuses me to see that The Mormon Militia is such a well kept secret. I lived amongst them for altogether too long. They were forced out of the East by the US military, and that's why they headed West to establish the Beehive territory. When they arrived at the crest of the mountains at what is now Emigration Canyon, Brigham saw the Great Salt Lake, and proclaimed "This is the Place". While the temple was being built in SLC, the US Army visited, with the intention of dissolving the Beehive territory. They actually hid the work on the temple, and called all of the men to readiness. No conflict ensued, but ever since, the Mormons have stood ready to oppose the US military. Seriously folks. You don't want to volunteer as an enemy of the Mormons.
On the flip side of that coin though, I would say that the majority of modern Mormons don't observe the policy of keeping a years' supply of food on hand. Among those I knew well, it is common to keep a good deal more than a years' supply of ammo.
 
Never owned a gun until I gave him a rifle years ago as a gift; I don't think it's ever come out of his closet. He says he appreciates the gift, but just doesn't use it at all.

then take him to the range, and introduce him to the sport. make sure he has a good time. maybe you can convert, or at least show him how fun they can be.
 
I'm LDS and I have guns. :D

And I remember one Sunday (can't remember why, but I think it was near Veteran's Day) they had all the Veterans stand up to be thanked and quite a large number of folks stood up including more women than I would have expected. I have to imagine that at least all the retired military folks are relatively comfortable around guns.
 
there was a good artical on msn.com about how the lds people are prepaired for the shtf but they left out one vital componet. how many mormons do you know that dont have a guns?


None. The article did not say that anyway. LOL- Actually one of the MODS here is a Mormon. Guess you will have to look for softer target elsewhere.

SALT LAKE CITY - Bishop's Storehouse looks like any other grocery store at first glance: The shelves are neatly lined with canned goods and the smell of fresh bread wafts through the aisles.

But there are no cash registers. The fruits and vegetables, just-made cheeses and milk are free — a safety net for those in need provided by the 13 million members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"We like to call it the best food money can't buy," said Jim Goodrich, who oversees the storehouse and other facilities on the church's 13-plus-acre Welfare Square.
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Mormons may be among the country's best prepared to weather the current economic hard times. Since the Great Depression, church leaders have preached a doctrine of self-reliance and selflessness, calling on members to plan for their own future while tending to the needs of others.

"It's a critical component of our theology," said Bishop David Burton, a senior church administrator who oversees the faith's worldwide welfare and humanitarian services programs.

Year's supply of emergency food
Members are encouraged to squirrel away a few months' worth of living expenses and stock a one-year supply of emergency food. Church handouts, classes and a Web site describe how to prepare, store and cook with emergency food supplies so nothing goes to waste.

Each month, members skip two meals and give the money they would have spent on food to church welfare programs, paying for the commodities, clothing, job training and other services made available to the needy.

The church also works in partnership with other faith traditions and local social service agencies to share surplus commodities and support services.

Goodrich's Welfare Square is the heart of the program. Founded in the 1930s, the square is home to a cannery and milk- and cheese-processing facility; a 16 million-pound grain elevator; and a bakery, storehouse, thrift store and employment center, all of which are run mostly by volunteers serving church missions.

Over the years, the safety net has extended worldwide to include farms, orchards, dairies and cattle ranches that provide the raw material for the commodities harvested, processed and packaged at church facilities.

Each product carries the "Deseret" label — a Book of Mormon word that is a synonym for honeybee and a metaphor for the industriousness of church members.

"What we see today is the product of 60 years of inspired leadership and a lot of hard work," Burton said. "I can't tell you the cumulative investment, but it's minor in terms of the cumulative effort on the part of thousands and thousands."

Commodities first
Church members seek out their local congregation leader, called a bishop, to access the system. Bishops — there are 27,000 worldwide — also have a pool of cash to pay for housing, medical needs or keep the utilities on, although the church prefers to provide commodities first, Burton said.

Assistance comes with the expectation of reciprocal service, whether it's a few hours of volunteer work on the square stocking shelves or some other form of service.

Jennifer Williams was hesitant to accept help. Fresh out of college and in the middle of a difficult divorce, she was struggling to find a career that matched her skills — fluency in Russian and a political science education.

"One of the things that makes it so hard is that you think it's just for people who don't have a job, not for someone like me, working, middle-class and educated," said Williams, 29, now of Washington, D.C. "But, you know, needing help is OK."

Without money to buy a gallon of milk, she temporarily stocked her pantry with church commodities and used the training she got in an executive job search program to land a job with a defense contractor.

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It's unclear how many individuals and families need church assistance each year. Church statistics from 2007 show some 210,000 people used employment centers and training to find jobs. But church officials declined to provide a demographic snapshot of the average welfare recipient, the amount of time most recipients use the programs and an average value for the commodities provided.

Without that information, it's difficult to assess the effect the church programs have on the community, said Glenn Bailey, director of Crossroads Urban Center, an advocacy and direct services agency for the poor in Salt Lake City that annually gets a share of church commodities for its own emergency food bank.

"I think they play a critical role, it's just that there's no way to tell the size of the gap they fill," Bailey said. "Obviously they are doing a lot of work and helping a lot of people who would go without or seek assistance elsewhere."

And I remember one Sunday (can't remember why, but I think it was near Veteran's Day) they had all the Veterans stand up to be thanked and quite a large number of folks stood up including more women than I would have expected.

Yep, tons of LDS in the military.
 
In the infamous "Glock Planting Torture Test" a Glock with the slide and magazine removed was used to plant over 100,000 tomato seedling. All of the tomatoes bore large healthy fruit which led to the Roman Police Force dropping the Berretta and adopting the Glock.
 
This thread prompted me to look at some of the history of the Morman's in Utah and the Utah War. Armed Morman militia were set to defend and defeat the US Military prior to the Civil War. Some shurmishes occurred prior to an agreement being reached.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_War

The Morman approach is deeply ingrained in the church psyche. They are more prepared than most and you can bet if things hit the fan, they'd come out of it better than most.
 
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