Should I carry into somebody's house?

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I can't believe how many people are telling him to ask permission to protect himself. CCW means just that, nobody should know you are carrying. Unfortunately, the 20something crowd tells everyone they have a gun, I guess to show off.

It's nobody's business to know I am carrying and the only way they would find out is if I needed to protect my life or the lives of my family members.

This "have respect and tell them" is total BS, I carry for protection and that's not being disrespectful to anyone but the BG's.

I see there is a lot of work to be done if so many people think carrying a gun is a big deal!!!!
 
There's plenty of otherwise normal people who would pop an eyebrow out of their socket if you asked to bring a gun into their place. Especially a youngish chappie. So many decent-looking, respectable-seeming folk who go on rampages (cue the eternal refrain of neighbors: " but he was such a goood boy") - and with the perception that civvies CC'ing must be hitmen or drug dealers, best to keep your trap shut unless you're positive they're gunnies, too. Discretion's the better part of valor, and all that.
 
ZeSpectre

Pax,
the more times I look at your site the more I love it. My wife is becoming fond of it as well

Your section on racking the slide on a pistol was an enormous help to my wife.
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PFFFT! It was an enormous help to ME!

I don't feel like a 250 pound weakling any more... :D
 
wish I had been here to read all of this today.

So here's how things went.

Day was normal, went to bank (armed), then to the USPS (had to disarm) - and then figured since my next stop was at his house, I'd just leave it in the glove-compartment locked.

So I got there, and walked in and his dad was there, but I didn't immediately meet him because he was working on something on the roof.

After that I said, "How about you and I head over to the shopping mall/center? It's only 3 blocks away, let's just walk." - and we did, but I stopped at my car to gear up since I was no longer in their house. This friend knows that I carry because me putting-on/taking-off due to legal reasons or whatnot - he's gotten used to. He actually is an anti, but doesn't give me a hard time.

So anyways, I gear up and we walk. We walk around, go to Starbucks and I get an espresso. We sit down and my friend gets a call that his dad is coming over to join us. I said, "Oh cool. btw - I never asked. what does your dad do?"

My friend: "Oh, he's retired. He was army vietnam vet and after the war ended he was an NYPD officer and just recently retired."

(I'm thinking, "oh crap. - if there is anybody who can spot me carrying it's going to be this former NYPD guy)

So the father shows up, and seems like a really friendly guy.... we all head over to the beach and check out the women and the waves.... and then my friend and I go and meet his brother for some drinks at happy hour (I take my gear off before walking in and leave it in the car glove compartment again).

We have a few beers... I wait for my BAC to get back down to normal.... then we head back to my friend's place and have a nice BBQ (it was great), and afterwards, my friend and I try to take a walk to get things moving in our stomachs (so once again I gear up - it only takes me 20 seconds anyways). We walk around, and I started realizing at that point he was anti as I talked about Obama wanting all semi-autos illegal and he said that he'd probably support that. I briefly got into it - but didn't want to spoil what was otherwise a nice evening with a gun discussion, which I can win another day. I also got a little nervous as we got very close to a children's league girl's softball game and an elementary school and a church all on every side of the street. I felt like the moment I stepped off of the pavement, I was a felon. :banghead:

Took my gear off as I headed back in to their house (left it in the car glove compartment again) had dessert, talked about movies and various things with him and his family, and then took off for the night.

No problems it seemed. I wasn't aware my friend was anti.... but whatever, I can deal with that.

The father being NYPD scared me though. I was sure he was going to notice I was carrying and since he picked us up from the shopping center (I never requested that he do so) - I was sure he was going to get upset about me bringing a gun in his car... or something.

Well, either he just doesn't care... or I conceal well enough he didn't notice. :)

Had a good night and I suppose all is well that ends well. :)
 
"Well, either he just doesn't care... or I conceal well enough he didn't notice."
A Secret Service guy might notice. Nobody much else would. NYPD, Dime Box, TX PD - they don't scan your entire body with a super-trained eye. They seem to opt for judging your intentions by your attitude and movements.
 
I carry anyplace that it is legal... unless your friend's house is posted or they know you carry and ask you not to I'd keep my mouth shut and do what you normally do.

In situations like this I'd be carrying a small pocket pistol (ie. Kel-Tec P3AT or P32) in a pocket holster (wallet style) or using a beltclip. Even if at a party/BBQ or other friendly gathering if someone were to give me a hug or if I'd likely rub up against someone there would be no suspecting that I'm carrying. Carrying a medium to larger piece in a hip or shoulder holster could be a dead give away which could lead to some issues or misunderstandings.

And with a pocket pistol there is no need to dress around your gun like wear a vest, jacket or whatever to conceal and there is no danger of printing if you bend, twist or sit down.
 
I agree that it would be optimal to keep my mouth shut - and I hate telling people I carry (which is why I usually don't unless there's a real reason for them to know)

but doesn't matter if they're gunny or not - people are entitled to know what goes in and out of their own home. Sure, I have no obligation to inform them and could carry legally into there.

But also, sure they could see somehow that I'm carrying (sitting down on a couch with OWB carry can be a problem sometimes) - and ask me to leave, or better yet just never invite me over again.

There is a difference between doing something out of obligation, and doing something out of respect.

I respect my friend and his family, and wouldn't want to do anything that they might perceive as disrespectful. They're from NYC afterall, so they're not exactly used to people walking into their place armed.

The parents didn't know me before yesterday, so to just carry a gun in there and get caught, could have given them the wrong impression.

I think I did the right, and respectful thing.
 
TheEconomist,
Your argument is based upon the assumption that carrying a gun is something special or out of the ordinary. You also imply it's disrespectful to carry concealed without notifying people of it. Do you see the conflict there?

It is not disrespectful to carry without telling people you are carrying because it's just a natural state for many. There is no big deal carrying a gun and the sooner people stop treating it as such, the sooner it will stop being look upon as such. For some reason a person's right to carry has been made to look as something strange, don't make it so. It's just a gun for goodness sake!!!
 
In most cases I'd say LEOs are FOR CCW. A New York cop though? Hard to say what was beat into his mind about it.
 
I rent a ski condo with 20-some other people. I did not go through the trouble of asking each and every person if they were OK with me carrying. The girls that I am friends with are very "huggy". I drive up there by myself most of the time, and when they hug me on arriving, their hands will land on my CCW most of the time. No one has complained about me carrying in the condo - except for my ex, and she's gone now. :D Several have asked "what's that?" and I just say "Sidearm". One girl was scared once - she was a friend of a friend in from Wisconsin. We were out at a bar once (you can carry in bars here, I wasn't drinking of course), and she went to touch my waist. Her hand landed right on the grip of my CCW and I felt her whole hand and arm lock up like she was really scared. She never said anything about it though, but she was significantly cooler to me after that.

My point is: Act like it's normal, and everyone else will too. Don't act like you're getting everyone to sign a waiver, or act like a firearm is something special or dangerous. It's a normal, completely inert small object. If you're made by touch, say jokingly "Yes, I am happy to see you." (works for girls too). If you're made by sight, say jokingly "Hey, my slip is showing."
 
About the "huggy" bit.
I've discovered that if you approach a hug with your arms held low then the other person automatically goes high and it's not an issue. Also the best one liner I've heard so far from a gunnie that got "made" was...

Person 1: "hey, what is that"
Gunnie (with straight face): "oh, medical device"
 
TheEconomist ~

I'm glad it worked out for you.

I'm a little uncomfortable with the number of times you were putting the gun on and taking it back off again. Every bit of gun-handling increases the chance of being discovered, or of a negligent/accidental discharge occuring. Even someone who is perfectly safe and well-practiced on the range is prone to fumbles when handling the firearm furtively or hurriedly in public.

Something to think about.

pax
 
Re: hugging low, I'm 6' and several of the girls are 5'. Going low doesn't work all that well.
 
Get down on your knees and hug :neener:

Seriously though, my mom is short but I've found that a "cross hug" (low on your CCW side and high on the other) seems to also work. It causes each of you to lean to the side a bit (them AWAY from your CCW). This is my favored approach with huggy people I've just met but don't know.

See, if we keep tryin' we'll find something that works :D
 
By all means carry!!! It's your choice,not thiers.
Make sure it's good and "covered up".
Watch for little kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Had a 4 year old girl that was playing with another girl
running around me playing "tag".
One of them hit my right hip and busted a lip.
She had run into the rear sight on my Glock,and it really made
me think a little about CCW.
But I still think it's better if my weapon is on me then stored in
my car.

MRI
 
Just my thoughts...

This may sound ironic, but I'd like to know if someone was carrying in my home. It is his right to carry, but if he or she is in my home I'd like to know.

Sounds like he made the right call, except that's a lot of gearing and ungearing......

I once asked some individuals at one of my summer parties, that I barely knew, to take their CCW to thier car. It was at a party and one of them was drinking, that made me a little nervous.
 
I wouldn’t find it necessary to ask others for permission to do something that doesn’t affect them. I really don’t care if they prefer boxers to briefs.

~G. Fink
 
Boxers or briefs? I don't normally tell folks that I'm a 'Free Spirit'. Heh heh...

Biker
 
This is one reason I primarily ankle carry.

Biker

Not likely to get made while hugging, and I would imagine a fairly easy draw while on the bike. Personally I don't worry about whether friends or family carry at my house and since most of them are gun owners they don't care if I do. Maybe I should cultivate more anti types :barf:. Nope:neener: not happening!
 
I agree it's your choice to carry...but I want to know if you're in MY home. Especiallly if I don't know you.

Most friends, family and in-laws carry.. and are very aware I do..but if you're in my house for the first time, Brother, you better let me know.

After that initial meeting, I'd worry if you didn't pack at my home! :O)
 
pax - I agree it was an unusual day in terms of that.

99.9% of the time when I put my stuff on in the morning, that's it until bedtime.

While I'm super careful to avoid an ND, your point is valid.
 
I agree it's your choice to carry...but I want to know if you're in MY home. Especiallly if I don't know you.

Most friends, family and in-laws carry.. and are very aware I do..but if you're in my house for the first time, Brother, you better let me know.

After that initial meeting, I'd worry if you didn't pack at my home!
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beaucoup ammo,
Do you notify every person who's home you walk into that you are carrying? I'm betting the answer is no. I just hope you have the integrity to say so.
 
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