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i think courtrooms, delivery rooms, schools and churches
are places where guns should be banned.
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Why? How are these places any inherently safer than shopping malls or parking lots? Maybe you could argue that courtrooms are safer because you usually must go through security and metal detectors to get in. But still, I can remember several instances where criminals were able to disarm their captors are cause mayhem. While I agree that the litigants should probably have to check their guns at the door, others should be able to carry.

My church is in downtown Houston, very near to several homeless shelters. I know several people who carry there and am happy for it.
 
the doors remain locked and the usher opens the door, greets the people and hands them a bulletin. Most people don't even realize that the door is locked. So if the usher sees some one coming with a gun, they simply don't open the door.
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this is were good ol' fashioned horse sense (the suggestion came from a died in the wool ol' time Mainer) trumps uber high tech. security....

initially this proposal was viewed as "counter to the mission of the church".....i.e. we want people to come, so locking them out isn't such a great idea.

but....

we've got ushers at the main entrance anyways & they typically open the door for people already ..... and .... were talking about mannning the remote entrance anyways.

all it takes to make this work is enough volunteers to man the one remote entrance for the entire Sunday schedule.

What a no brainer!

What do you do if someone approaches the door with a gun? :what:
Don't open the door for him! :neener:
and get out of the way!

Your not going to keep a determined shooter out, as the doors are glass, but you'll definately slow them down long enough to "sound the alarm".

Now if we can only figure out how those comm. handsets work. :rolleyes:
 
the doors remain locked and the usher opens the door, greets the people and hands them a bulletin. Most people don't even realize that the door is locked. So if the usher sees some one coming with a gun, they simply don't open the door.
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And what happens if the bad guy with the gun is the guy sitting next to you with a smile on his face and a bulletin in his hand?
 
I can neither confirm nor deny that I carry in church, but personally see nothing in the Bible that would prevent it. IF you were ever in a position where you needed to use that weapon, I feel it would be safe to assume that God put you in that place, at that time for a reason.
 
And what happens if the bad guy with the gun is the guy sitting next to you with a smile on his face and a bulletin in his hand?
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It's definitely not fool proof....

The goal is not to prevent anyone from ever getting hurt, it's to put adult men and women, willing to accept risk in front of the threat first and buy enough time to prevent a wholesale slaughter.

It will work for long guns, like the guy in Colorado had. And will likely work for visibly hostile strangers.

Consider the St. James Church Massacre, in South Africa, where a mob wielding AK-47s and grenades attempted to slaughter an entire congregation of hundreds. One parishioner with a snub nosed .38 repelled the attack and sent them running.

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I suspect that those who would attack a church are likely expecting easy pickings and the first sign of armed resistance may set them a runnin'.

and for the "ice man" who is cool as a cucumber? he has to guess which usher to shoot first ;)

and the suicide attacker may just get his "destiny" fulfilled for him.

TSA style airport security is not an option....both in terms of cost and culture.

Life is not a risk free venture... but it sure is a great one!
 
Puritans going to church

The mention of puritans carrying brought this picture to mind.
 

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I think the question of armed self defence is answered indirectly in the Bible by the arrest in Gethsemane. Yes Jesus told Peter to put up his sword, but he never told him to renounce it. At that time Peter had been living in close proximity W/ Jesus for three years, certainly Jesus knew Peter was armed & apparently never told him it wasn't ok.
 
i think courtrooms, delivery rooms, schools and churches
are places where guns should be banned.
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What a wonderful idea! That would certainly put an end to all the school and church shootings we hear about on the news. Why didn't somebody think of that sooner! :banghead::banghead:
 
it´s not about getting rid of school-, church and delivery-room shootings.
It´s about keeping some culture and civilization.

It is not a matter of law, it´s a matter of culture IMHO.
 
Unfortunately, I haven't met a cultured criminal yet. Part of the culture that America was based upon, by the constitution, was the right of Americans to protect themselves, even going so far as the right to forcefully overthrow the government (according to the Declaration of Independence) should the government become oppressive. So how is posting no firearms zones in keeping in any way with the culture that America was founded upon in the first place?
 
This is a great dicussion. I conceal carry in church. I don't know where my pastor stands on the issue. I would not ask because I'd be affraid of what his answer would be as him & his wife spent 20 years as missioninaries in France.

Personally, I would be naive to think that my church, or any other church would be an unlikely target. With rising gas/food prices, church would be a prime opportunity. After taking the offering, that's ALOT of cash going into a small isolated room by a couple guys to be counted.

There was a bad guy who walked into a Fort Worth church on a Wednesday night & went from class room to room shooting sheeple 7 or 8 years ago.

On the other end of the sprectrum, bad guy opened fire outside Mesianic Synogogue in North Dallas 11 or 12 years ago, Gun jammed & by the grace of God, no one was shot.

As for my wife & I, we will protect our family by ANY means necessary as she also has her CHL.
 
Yea though I walk though the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil for I am packing? You either believe the Twenty Third Psalm or you don’t. I don’t. That’s why I carry.
 
it´s not about getting rid of school-, church and delivery-room shootings.
It´s about keeping some culture and civilization.
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Good men armed are what formed civilization.
Good men disarmed are impotent against those who would destroy civilization.
 
I carry concealed every Sunday, and have no doubt most folks would thank me for it, especially after recent high-profile church incidents. I believe several other men carry as well.

But the focus is worship, and it's important not to distract from that. For instance, open carry is legal in WA, but even if leadership and most people were OK with it, I'd probably still conceal, unless our culture were radically different and it was definitely not a distraction.

But yeah, guns in church = good. I see no indication that the God of the Bible is anything but wholly just, including justified defense. Now if only we could get Christians on board with just war, but that's another story...
 
Let me ask this. I believe Jesus Christ established the Church while he was on Earth. The "Church" is the community of all of his followers. The "church" you are talking about is just a building. Why would it be ok to carry outside of that building and not inside of it?

Whats the difference? I personally don't see any.
 



For me, my church gun is my everyday carry gun. For a BBQ, I'd get the El Paso belt and holster and my trusty 1911 with merely the Harrett Shooting Star grips.
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