Guns you thought you’d like but didn’t…
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CapnMac
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It's a wide and varied range of things.
Pretty much every AMT I've ever picked up.
All the S&W 45nn I have ever tried.
Universal Carbines.
XP100 pistol.
GP-35/High Power
BAR (both M-1918 and the commercial variant)
Kar98K
UMP
And, it's tricky, as there are many things I'm really "meh" about. AKs, SAAs, Lever-actions, Pump-actions, nearly anything with a toggle action.
Pretty much every AMT I've ever picked up.
All the S&W 45nn I have ever tried.
Universal Carbines.
XP100 pistol.
GP-35/High Power
BAR (both M-1918 and the commercial variant)
Kar98K
UMP
And, it's tricky, as there are many things I'm really "meh" about. AKs, SAAs, Lever-actions, Pump-actions, nearly anything with a toggle action.
Styx
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That's weird as the L frame is still basically a slightly beefed up K frame. The grip and trigger reach is identical to the K frame, and the weight is simular as well, e.g., the 4" 686 is 40.3 oz vs the 4" 19 @ 37.4 oz. 3oz isn't a big difference IMHO.
I recently read an old post of some saying something similar which is why I ask, plus I'm thinking about picking up an N frame.
vito
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Two for me. One was the Kimber Ultra Carry II. That gun just looked, and felt great in my hand. Seemingly excellent workmanship. More accurate than I had a right to expect from a 3 inch barrel firing 45acp. But that same short barrel seemed to be what caused endless numbers of FTE and FTF. I am not sure if I ever got through a full magazine without one of those two problems occurring. This gun went back to Kimber twice and still never was even remotely reliable enough to serve as the concealed carry handgun that I had hoped it would be.
The second was the original Ruger LCP. Really tiny, well made, and reliable. But the snappiness of that little gun made me hate shooting it. And I could not hit the side of a barn with it. It would have been useless for me to use for personal defense at anything over "bad breath" distance. When I sold it I then bought a Ruger LC9s which I carry every day and I feel that this is as close to a perfect gun for concealed carry as I have ever tried.
The second was the original Ruger LCP. Really tiny, well made, and reliable. But the snappiness of that little gun made me hate shooting it. And I could not hit the side of a barn with it. It would have been useless for me to use for personal defense at anything over "bad breath" distance. When I sold it I then bought a Ruger LC9s which I carry every day and I feel that this is as close to a perfect gun for concealed carry as I have ever tried.
Mike OTDP
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Hmm...
The HK P7, not that I'm selling mine. The squeeze-cocker is brilliant, but the trigger isn't that great, the recoil is severe, and the guns get hot after a few shots.
Add to that the 1911. The gun is fine, but I find that the .45 ACP round induces a serious flinch. I don't normally shoot mine much. If I want a SAO pistol for defensive work, I've got a Cylinder & Slide Browning HP.
Finally, there is the big surprise...the Pardini SP. Which is a very highly regarded target pistol, but I really need to ditch the grips on mine and get replacements...probably Nills, as they fit my hand quite well.
The HK P7, not that I'm selling mine. The squeeze-cocker is brilliant, but the trigger isn't that great, the recoil is severe, and the guns get hot after a few shots.
Add to that the 1911. The gun is fine, but I find that the .45 ACP round induces a serious flinch. I don't normally shoot mine much. If I want a SAO pistol for defensive work, I've got a Cylinder & Slide Browning HP.
Finally, there is the big surprise...the Pardini SP. Which is a very highly regarded target pistol, but I really need to ditch the grips on mine and get replacements...probably Nills, as they fit my hand quite well.
Ruger Redhawk
Sig 365XL w/ Romeo 1….Hated the optic, balance was underwhelming (I love my EDC Sig 365! )
Browning Abolt .270…..Absolutely the MOST inaccurate rifle I’ve ever owned. Fist-sized 100 yd. groups were the best it would manage with every factory load I tried and most reloads…Terrible
Sig 365XL w/ Romeo 1….Hated the optic, balance was underwhelming (I love my EDC Sig 365! )
Browning Abolt .270…..Absolutely the MOST inaccurate rifle I’ve ever owned. Fist-sized 100 yd. groups were the best it would manage with every factory load I tried and most reloads…Terrible
I got a hec of a good price on a .38 cal S&W Model 14-4 with 8 3/8 barrel and Fitz custom grips a year ago but so far haven't been real good at shooting it.
I've tried the Fitz and then J frame grips and am now thinking of k frame grips or Hogue over grips but so far just so so results. The gun is 90% or better so I think it's just me.
Balancing the barrel comes to mind even with a two handed hold. On the other hand, I can play "Dirty Harry" without tearing my arm off with .44 mag.
I've tried the Fitz and then J frame grips and am now thinking of k frame grips or Hogue over grips but so far just so so results. The gun is 90% or better so I think it's just me.
Balancing the barrel comes to mind even with a two handed hold. On the other hand, I can play "Dirty Harry" without tearing my arm off with .44 mag.
luzyfuerza
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My 4" 64-5 weighs 35.4 ounces, and my 4" 686-3 (a six shot) weighs 42.5 ounces. That's 20% heavier. The heavier barrel underlug and overlug, and the larger-diameter cylinder all contribute. As you mentioned, the trigger LOP, frame size, grip size, etc., all seem pretty comparable.
That extra weight forward of the trigger just seems to mess with the perfection that is the model 64.
Heck, my 4" 28-2 only weighs 43 ounces. And I think it balances better than the 686.
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Styx
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I don't know what the weights are on the older Smiths, but on the current models, the weights between the K and L frames very similar. As far as the 64-5 goes, that's not really a fair comparison being that that particular K frame doesn't have an underlug. Other K-frames do.
Seems like your preference has more to do with underlugs vs no or partial underlug more so than frame sizes. The 4" Model 69 is built on an L frame just like the model 686, but the current model 69 has a half an underlug and is the same exact weight as the 37.4 oz Model 19 that's on a K frame. FYI: The 4" 686 Performance with the slab side underlug (partial underlug) is only 37.8 oz which is almost 5oz less than your 4" 686 with the full lug. Your problem isn't with the frame or the 686 per se IMHO; it's with underlugs. The 686 Performance maybe a better fit for you.
When comparing apples to apples barrel length, underlug, etc between K and L frames, the weight, grip, and trigger reach are almost identical.
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Terry G
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Universal .30 Carbine. Never worked right. I traded it in on a Colt SP-1 which I should bought in the first place. 9MM Ruger American. Couldn't group at all. Guy I sold it to didn't care, said he never shot past 25 feet anyway. Glock 17, people raved about it. I never liked it. I sold it at a profit and bought another CZ 9 MM. Jennings .22. What was I thinking?
I put a Hogue overlay rubber grip on a CZ-75 and it improved greatly on the scores. Eventually through I traded it for a S&W Modal 10-5, 4 inch el in .38 Special. The Model 10 is a well used and worn bluing revolver, but it is also the best revolver I've ever shot taking several trophies. I like it for my standard carry gun.
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Hipoint 995 carbine. It's very accurate but I just don't like the feel of it. It's uncomfortable to shoot and I don't like the bolt handle on the left side.
gunmechanic
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My disapointment was a brand new Savage left hand Tactical in 308 .It was about 6 years ago that i ordered it. when it came i thought it would have the asc magazine, nope cheep Savage plastic set up .The year befores model had the asc magazine set up . The scope mount had x1 screw that was cross threaded. just turned me off never put a scope on it or shot ,it it sits in the original wrapping and box.
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Two other pistols I thought I'd like but ended up totally disappointed and turned off of the whole platform for a couple decades are a Colt Series 80 in the 1980s and a Dan Wesson Pointman/Patriot. They were so unreliable I avoided the whole 1911 platform until just about a year ago.
Tisas though restored my faith in the design.
Tisas though restored my faith in the design.
CZ-75D compact. The trigger reach was WAY to short for my long fingers! The curved trigger pinched my trigger finger on every round! It was also way too heavy for its size / number of rounds it held, no way would I want to carry it. I bought it used for $300 so it wasn't too painful of a mistake.
With all the CZ hype around here I figured I would love it... I hated it! I gave it to my girl friend who has much more petite hands than mine and she really likes it. She likes "how it shoots" which means she appreciates how the heavy weight tames the recoil better than my lighter weight compact 9mm's. She uses it as a home protection gun and doesn't carry so the weight is a positive for her. Her feminine fingers aren't pinched like my fat fingers are.
The CZ-75D compact was definitely the biggest let down I have ever purchased.
With all the CZ hype around here I figured I would love it... I hated it! I gave it to my girl friend who has much more petite hands than mine and she really likes it. She likes "how it shoots" which means she appreciates how the heavy weight tames the recoil better than my lighter weight compact 9mm's. She uses it as a home protection gun and doesn't carry so the weight is a positive for her. Her feminine fingers aren't pinched like my fat fingers are.
The CZ-75D compact was definitely the biggest let down I have ever purchased.
Old Dog
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Say WHAT? I don't have super-long fingers, but I've always considered the DA trigger reach on the CZ-75, even the Compact, to be too long. But, yes, I agree it's heavy for its size, especially if you're comparing it to a polymer-framed pistol, but for $300, geez, it's gotta be a keeper. It's not so much the weight, it's how it shoots -- soft shooter, easily managed recoil, points well...
The second pistol I ever purchased and the pistol I learned to shoot with was a Beretta 92... which I still own and love. I figured the CZ 75D compact would be a natural since I already really like DA/SA with a decocker. It just really didn't work for me. Out of all my pistols my girl friend liked the CZ-75D the best... so it has a happy home with someone who appreciates it.
Here it is leading the pack of my carry guns... back when it was still mine.
Old Dog
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She's got pretty good taste (and I know the myriad CZ-75 fans on THR will agree). By the way, I also am an unabashed and unapologetic Beretta 92-series fan (and yes, I'm aware the slide-mounted safety goes the "wrong way.")
Like I said, I learned to shoot with my Beretta 92... so the safeties on every other gun on the market are the wrong way!
I also never learned to mind the safety being on the slide. I never understood what all the fuss was about with that.
The first pistol I ever purchased was a Bersa 383 (380 aacp)... same safety direction with decocker and also on the slide.
P.S. Her taste couldn't be all that good... she has been going out with me for well over a decade!
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tightgroup tiger
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Walther's PDP.
I have their Q5 SF Pro and it is a dream to shoot and accurate as they get.
The PDP, is another story.
Supposed to be "their flagship" gun now. I bought the one with the precision trigger system that was supposed to be 3.8lb break. It's a 5lb break.
I took it to the range and it stove piped on the last two or three rounds every time. Jammed around 30 times in 200 rounds.
That was the first trip to the range the day after I bought it.
I'm going to try to get my money back first, if I can't it's going back to Walther's Arms today.
I have their Q5 SF Pro and it is a dream to shoot and accurate as they get.
The PDP, is another story.
Supposed to be "their flagship" gun now. I bought the one with the precision trigger system that was supposed to be 3.8lb break. It's a 5lb break.
I took it to the range and it stove piped on the last two or three rounds every time. Jammed around 30 times in 200 rounds.
That was the first trip to the range the day after I bought it.
I'm going to try to get my money back first, if I can't it's going back to Walther's Arms today.
bender01
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Socom -16.
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My saiga 308. I wanted to love that rifle so bad, but alas, just didn't take to it.