Yes.Because I haven't shot one, does that mean I can't at all know of what I am talking because all the reviews and everyone I know who owns one can't possibly be accurate sources on which to base an opinion?
Because anybody that's been on online gun forums for any amount of time knows what reviews and sources you're reading, and most of them are as uninformed as you are. It is a painful circle of internet myths born over and over until they become truth in the minds of the people who are quoting each other, but seldom shoot guns.
So, when I go shoot this thing, does that magically make me know everything about the Mk23 and suddenly I'll realize that everyone who owns one and thinks highly of it is full of poo?
You could also tell us that the Ford Aerostar is the finest drag racing machine ever built because you drove it around a parking lot once. Still wouldn't win you very many trophies.
I've actually never been a huge fan of any HK trigger. I wouldn't call it garbage, but certainly not ideal either.
Name a $2000 gun that has a worse trigger... Okay, name a $1000 one... Allright, name one that isn't also made by HK.
What good does a steel grip do?
I don't know, I carry an STI. Best of both worlds.
Hmmm... Anybody want to care to guess how many of those stone age guns are riding in military holsters compared to Mk23s? How did HK do with that new Marine contract?Nice logic for living in the stone ages.
Just because something did the job in its time means we shouldn't strive to build bigger, better, meaner, badder, and more capable?
1. Bigger. YES
2. Better. meh.
3. Meaner. I don't know, I'm not mean, but I did hurt someone's feelings once.
4. Badder. YES, (but mostly on customer service)
5. Capable... I don't know, are you talking about the Mk23, or the absurd giant flashlight/laser LEM thingy that is the only thing that will fit on its non-standard rail system?
Unless your job is rising out of the ocean and killing terrorists with piano wire, it probably doesn't suit your needs either. But damn if it doesn't give you some cool bragging rights on the internet!Good for you. Then I encourage you to own/operate the handgun that best fits your needs - clearly not a Mk23.
You came onto a forum of absolute gun fanatics who shoot hundreds of thousands of rounds a year, a forum filled with zealots, instructors, cops, soldiers, collectors, and competitors, and told everyone that a gun you never actually shot was "supreme in some areas" because you read it in a book or a magainze.and I never said it is the best thing ever. I did say it was supreme in certain areas, but I also recognized that it comes with other limitations.
Dude, I hate to break it to you, but some of us here get paid to write those type articles in those same magazines.
I'm not tryng to be a jerk here, but nothing in the world gets my goat more than someone with 2nd or 3rd hand opinuendo declaring the absolute truth to a bunch of 1st handers. I don't go on a NASCAR forum and tell them how to drive fast in a circle, and if I did, I could probably expect to get ribbed for it.
I think I'll get by.Although decently funny and probably a fun guy to hang out with at the bar, your aggressive whine-fest really diminishes the weight people are going to put into your opinion.
AND we can objectively give credit to each pistol where it deserves because we don't have to substantiate our ego by slamming what we can't have.
You really have NO idea how many times I've heard some variation on that one. I'm not kidding, but probably about a thousand times. That is not hyperbole. For whatever reason, people who've drank the HKoolaid always assume that first.
My issue isn't neccesarily with the Mk23, though it is an overpriced, lousy triggered, brick of an ergonomic nightmare, my issue is with hype and conclusions based on hype.
Actually, it wouldn't be verbal. I get paid for written diarrhea. I actually type faster than I talk.but you seem to only want to acknowledge some of what is said so you can have verbal diarrhea (metaphorically speaking) and try to be the wise guy.
And let me ask, since you apparently don't own a Mark 23,
Of course not. I actually shoot my guns.
why are you soooo concerned with the price tag?
Because for many years I made my living by selling guns to people and doing firearms instruction. My personal philosophy was to always try and fit the best possible gun to the person. As a professional instructor I found that one of the most difficult things in the world was to overcome student's preconceived notions that were not based in reality, but rather on hype and nonsense.
People who don't shoot, but pontificate endlessly based on Ian Hogg books and Call of Duty were the bane of my existence. Anything addressed as "supreme" because of somebody else's opinion gets my goat.
I still transferred a lot of Mk23s. 95% of the time, the purchaser was a blowhard who talked about how awesome his gun was, but I knew for a fact couldn't hit a pie plate at ten yards. The other 5% were collectors or people like me who would occasionally pick up a weird gun to screw around with it and then sell it.
Why get on here and rant?
Because my wife made me take a couple of days off of writing novels.
Nobody has forced you to own one,
And if they did, I would turn around and sell it on Gunbroker to some other rich guy to keep in his safe, and I'd buy two other really good guns.
yet you want to get on here and insult the people who own them or even admire them.
I haven't insulted you. I insulted your gun. You've made the common fanboy mistake of connecting your self esteem to your hardware.
I think that's interesting. You should call your mom.
Why? She doesn't like HK either...