H&k P2000sk

[kashton]

I own a Glock 23 and have it for a CCW and am thinking of changing to an H&K P2000SK. The H&K P2000SK seems to be a more concealable than my G23. I have a few questions about the H&K:

- The slide on the G23 seems to be very durable and never scratches. I've never seen brass marks near the ejection port like the Kimber 3" Tactical Ultra II I used to own. Is the slide on the H&K as durable as the G23 slide? And will the rounds leave brass marks on the slide?

- How is the service at H&K? If you have any experience with the company, how was it?

- Have you had any problems with H&Ks? If so, what kind of problems?

- The 3.27 inch barrel kind of worries me because my 3" Kimber had major issues with ejection and feeding. My G23 4.02" barrel has never had any issues. Does the H&K P2000SK feed well?

- Anything else you can think of about the P2000SK that can help me decide. Either positive or negative comments...

Thank you for your time and you help!

Kevin

 

[PPGMD]

Hk uses a similar finishing process for hardening the slide, they do use a semi-gloss black paint rather then a matte paint that Glock seems to use.

Brass marks are more about the ejection pattern then the slide finish.

Service from Hk is pretty good these days, 7 days out and back for service in some cases, and though they might not be available to answer the phone, but they return all calls within 24 hours.

Barrel length has little to do with ejection and feeding. My Walther P99c has a 3.5" barrel and it ejections and feeds fine. Also remember that the P2000sk is meant for police use, so if it doesn't feed and ejection both ball and JHP then there would be issues.

Feeding has to do with the feed ramp, and the P2000sk has the same ramps as the P2000, ejection has to do with the ejector, which is not only fine but very forceful.

I don't own a P2000sk though it's on my to purchase list, but I love the LEM trigger group, smooth with a short reset.

 

[eric.cartman]

Kevin,
I'm a proud owner of H&K P2000 .40 S&W.
Here's what I have to say:

I shot around 3000 rounds through the gun. Not a single FTF. The only problem I had, was shooting Wolf cheap ammo. The metal case cracked and got "fused" to the chamber. Failed to extract. Had to push it out with a long pin. But that was ammo issue, not the gun itself. Any other ammo works flawlessly. I shot Federal, WWB, S&B, and other brands of ammo through the gun, and never had a SINGLE problem. It shot great right out of the box (which I can't say about my $1000 Springfield ).

This is the most accurate gun I have. As we speak, it is loaded and ready. It sits in my night stand, and is my official "first line of home defense" weapon. I sometimes CCW it on the weekends, although with my small frame, it's heavy and hard to conceal. I don't know about the SK.

In my opinion, the gun is worth every penny.

Did i mention it fits my hand like it was meant to be held my me, and me only

P.S. Not a single scratch on the gun yet. Seams very durable.

 

[xMetal]

after months of research, I just got a 2000sk. In fact, it was so recently that I haven't gotten to shoot it yet.

The quality seems very high, and pretty much everything I read about them spoke very highly of the brand. They are a bit more money than comparable models from other brands, but I was looking for high reliability in a small package (but not so tiny I couldn't shoot it regularly).

 

[BBsteel]

I have the P2KSK in a variant III. I love the gun and have about 700 rounds through it with no problems yet. It has never jammed and always ejects. I have only shot the winchester white box ammo through it.

All my pistols (3) are HK and none have had to go in for service work ever. I have heard the customer service is now great for the civilians. I may get night sights installed on my SK so I can let you know how that goes.

The gun is very accurate and built excellent. I just ordered up a milt sparks VM2 for it as it will be my Carry piece when my Utah permit comes in (still months away).

You will not be disappointed!

 

[CountGlockula]

kashton- Have you had any problems with H&Ks? If so, what kind of problems?

Here's my opinion, from a Glock guy also. I was VERY close in purchasing the P2SK, but I just couldn't adjust to the trigger. The reset is further to the front of the trigger, that wasn't the problem. But it was the heavy trigger pull. I focused more on the pull than on the sights, therefore accuracy was out the door.

Besides that and being oily (which the owner kept), it's a decent pistol. It just doesn't beat a Glock trigger.

Fire one and see for yourself. I would worry about warranty issues. Good luck.

 

[10-Ring]

I'm not a fan of subcompact guns, but I am a big fan of all things HK The P2000 & the P2000sk are fine guns. I've shot both (prefer the P2000) but the sk is a nice pistol too -- no issued in reliability, accuracy, or durability

 

[Destructo6]

I took guardianship of a P2000 with the LEM trigger yesterday and then proceeded to put about 400 rounds of 155grn JHP through it.

I had one FTF which I attribute to not having the opportunity to clean off the shipping lube (we were shooting within a few minutes of issue). It was quickly cleared with a tap and rack.

I figured that my scores would suffer horribly going from a large DAO Beretta to a small HKP2000 LEM, which they did initially, but bounced back toward the end of the day, exceeding my last Beretta qual.

So far, I'm very happy with it.

 

[cocojo]

Believe me you won't regret it. In fact the recoil will be less in the P2000SK than your 23 Glock. The 40 HK guns shoot like +p Nines, and you will love it. Get the LEM trigger. I own three HK's two P2000's and one SK, two in 40 and one in nine. Get the 40 you will think it's a nine.

 

[rcellis]

I would rank my P2000SK as my best handgun - and I have several I think highly of.

 

[kashton]

I'm pretty convinced to buy it now< Thanks a ton for the comments! By the way, how does the LEM (Law Enforcement Modification) trigger differ from the SA/DA?

 

[gudel]

I shot Federal, WWB, S&B, and other brands of ammo through the gun, and never had a SINGLE problem. It shot great right out of the box (which I can't say about my $1000 Springfield )

It's HK, I could've told you that before you dropped a grand

 

[gbelleh]

If you have a chance, try the LEM trigger before buying. I bought a P2000sk LEM .40 last year to use as a CCW gun. I loved the gun, but never could get used to the LEM. I really wanted to like the trigger, but the more I used it, the less I liked it. I ended up trading it away, only because of the trigger. The gun functioned 100%.

 

[Destructo6]

The LEM trigger sort of pre-cocks the hammer when the slide cycles. The trigger rests forward, but the part of the travel that drops the hammer is well to the rear. So, there's a long takeup, but a short reset.

If you test one out at a shop, cycle it before you try the trigger. If you don't you'll have a very long, stiff, pull.

 

[kashton]

I'll try that

 

[Colt]

I'm also in the p2000sk market, and am trying to make sense of the variants.

If I understand it right, the difference between LEM and DAO triggers is that you can pre-cock the LEM, much like a Glock or Kahr, giving you lighter, consistant trigger weight from first shot to last, while maintaining double-strike capability.

I also understand that while carried, the trigger is fully forward on both variants. Why would anyone opt for the DAO?

 

[DogBonz]

OK in order:

Q:- The slide on the G23 seems to be very durable and never scratches. I've never seen brass marks near the ejection port like the Kimber 3" Tactical Ultra II I used to own. Is the slide on the H&K as durable as the G23 slide? And will the rounds leave brass marks on the slide?

A: The slides on HK’s are built like tanks, they are as strong or stronger than anything else on the market. The finish on the HK slides is very tough as well. Even after carrying it the finish, while showing signs of holster ware, is still fully intact.

Q:- How is the service at H&K? If you have any experience with the company, how was it?

A: Honestly, I don’t know. In the almost 8 years and about 10,000 rounds through my USP45 I have never once broken anything.

Q:- Have you had any problems with H&Ks? If so, what kind of problems?

A: None

- The 3.27 inch barrel kind of worries me because my 3" Kimber had major issues with ejection and feeding. My G23 4.02" barrel has never had any issues. Does the H&K P2000SK feed well?

A: These two pistols are very different in their operating systems. In the 1911, due to its barrel link system, is less reliable in short barrels, here is why: The shorter the barrel, the steeper the angle the barrel has to pitch to in order to unlock. The P2000 will feed well.

Q:- Anything else you can think of about the P2000SK that can help me decide. Either positive or negative comments...

A: The “LEM” trigger is just awesome. If you are used to the Glock (no manual safety or decocker) the LEM will be a natural fit and is so much smoother.


Also, if it tells you anything, my next pistol will be a P2000 in 9mm with the LEM trigger. After shooting one I am hooked.

 

[flashman70]

If I understand it right, the difference between LEM and DAO triggers is that you can pre-cock the LEM, much like a Glock or Kahr, giving you lighter, consistant trigger weight from first shot to last, while maintaining double-strike capability.

I don't understand you, here. The LEM is DAO, with the attributes you describe. The P2000 isn't striker-fired as are the other two you mention.

A lot of folks like the DA/SA triggers on H&Ks - I have one on my USP - but once you get used to the LEM, it's great for a carry gun.

 

[Colt]

I must not understand HK's variant system.

All the p2000's have external hammers, right?

It was my understanding that LEM meant you could carry with the hammer back. So the first shot would be a long trigger pull, but relatively light. Then you'd have the ~1/4" reset between shots, with relatively light pressure needed for each.

You get "second-strike" capability on a round that might not fire, though the trigger pull required would be much heavier than normal.

The "DOA" variant doesn't allow the hammer to stay cocked. You'd have a heavy trigger pull for each and every round. So the "second-strike" capability is still there, but the trigger pull would be the same for regular shots as it would second-strikes.

The LEM (as I described it above) is much like a Kahr because each shot "pre-cocks" the striker, just as the LEM action puts the hammer back. I know the Kahrs and Glocks are striker fired. My comparison was more with regard to trigger pull between shots.

Obviously neither the Kahr or Glock give you the "second-strike" capability. If they mis-fire, you have to tap and rack.

Is this right, or do I have it wrong?

 

[gbelleh]

The LEM hammer stays down. As you press the trigger, the hammer moves backward (with very light trigger pressure) until the hammer eventually falls. After the shot, the hammer stays back, until you release trigger pressure, then the hammer will move forward. That's what I didn't like about it. For me, follow-up shots were difficult to control with that hammer moving back and forth as your trigger finger moves. It is very weird compared to DA/SA or DAO shooting.

 

[Colt]

Thanks for the clarification.