Had an AD at home

[Markk9]

Had a AD the other day, I should say my wife had the AD. My wife (Lisa) picked up my G19 off the bar and started to complain about why I carry a gun 24/7 and shot the kitchen cabinet door with one round. A little back round might help, we were at my parents house for Thanksgiving dinner. My mother hates it when I carry in her house so I store the gun locked in the glove box of the car. When Lisa and I got home (around 8pm) we put the kids to bed and unloaded the car. I put the G19 on the bar behind me in arms reach, and turned on the TV. After about 1/2 hour Lisa came back to the kitchen and started to complain about me carrying a gun and about gun safety. Me being the typical male having heard this many times over 4 years of marriage just kind of zoned her out. All I remember is Lisa picking up the G19 and saying something then a very-big BANG . All my wife could say was that it should have been empty: she took the magazine out. We all know what happened, left the round in the chamber. Thank God Lisa was pointing the gun at the back of the house, everybody is ok and no one got hurt. We lost 2 pots and some glass lids. GUN SAFETY, GUN SAFETY, TREAT EVERY GUN AS A LOADED GUN.

Mark

G19
1911 Delta 10mm
BHP-9mm
DW-357Mag
Pennsylvania Glockers Club #121

 

[gggman]

The 4 Laws of Gun Safety

These laws are not suggestions, and they are not guidelines. These laws must be obeyed 100% of the time.


#1 Treat every gun as if it is loaded.

#2 Never let a gun point at anything you are not
prepared to destroy.

#3 Never touch the trigger until you are ready to
fire.

#4 Always be sure of your target and what is
behind it.

If these laws are obeyed 100% of the time, it is physically impossible to accidentally shoot yourself or someone else.

 

[squadfounder]

#5 - You shouldn't handle guns when you're upset, angry, etc.

 

[Bad Words]

You can follow all four of those rules and still shoot yourself or someone else...

edit - missed the "accidentally" part

 

[thefitzvh]

How bout


Rule 6: Don't pick up someone elses gun and start b**tching about them carrying it, then blame it on "It should have been empty"


Jeez

 

[walking arsenal]

I agree with the above.

plus i have a standing rule around my house, dont touch W.A. gear EVER!!!

my wife will leave my equipment wherever i set it down (i love that girl) so stuff like that doesnt happen, if it's in the way she asks me to move it.

also, my gun is on me all the time, i dont set it down except when i go to bed then it goes on the night stand.

 

[victory]

now every time she bitches about you carrying...bring up her shooting the cabinet.


I give your marriage another 2 months.

 

[wasrjoe]

Wow, talk about NEGLIGENT discharge.

 

[Glock19Fan]

Well, someone has to ask:

What kind of bullets were in it and did you recover it? Any pictures of it?

 

[pax]

Mark,

Forgive me, but do you know who made the worst mistake?

You did.

A loaded firearm must be under the conscious control of a responsible adult at all times, or locked up where unauthorized people cannot get their ignorant paws on it.

You live with a woman who's not a gun person, which you knew.

Your wife didn't know how to safely unload your gun and didn't even know enough to keep her finger off the trigger when she moved the gun. Both of these are plain ignorance. That ignorance could have been deadly. Her lack of knowledge was a bad mistake, but your negligence in leaving a gun where such an ignorant person could pick it up without supervision was worse than that, because you should have known better (and probably did).

As you say, it was fortunate that the gun discharged toward the back of the house so it wasn't going to kill any of your own family members ... but you're lucky it didn't kill a neighbor kid.

The gun should have been either within your conscious control, or locked in the safe. No excuses.

pax

 

[io333]

The gun should have been either within your conscious control, or locked in the safe. No excuses.

Agree. On my person, or inaccesible, period. I'm also opposed to briefcases, purses, bags etc that have holsters built into them too. All of those items are set down all the time. It only takes once.

The only exception to the above rule I would consider is when a person is somewhere that is not accessible to anyone else at any time, such as a single person at home alone when no one is visiting... or a sailboat in the middle of the ocean.

 

[Markk9]

A side note to all, my wife does know or I should say was taught safe gun handling by her father and myself. She has shot and handled all of my handguns. She knows how to unload and clear all my CCW guns. I have keep firearms with in reach but not on my person after the kids are in bed, to me its no differant than keeping a loaded gun on the night stand.

Mark

G19
1911 Delta 10mm
BHP-9mm
DW-357Mag
Pennsylvania Glockers Club #121

 

[Siggyboy]

Sorry Mark, but you seem pretty careless in leaving a loaded Glock lie on the bar or elsewhere while you are busy doing something else, especially in a house with children around. What if you forget the gun and then decide to take out the trash or fall asleep while watching tv or...or...or.. and one of your kids comes out and finds a very interesting gun lying around? What if somebody just comes by and picks up the gun and it goes off? Oh, that already happened.

 

[taliv]

that's why i never carry or leave a gun lying about with a round in the chamber. just too easy to have an accident.

 

[Mulliga]

What if somebody just comes by and picks up the gun and it goes off? Oh, that already happened.

Guns don't "go off." His wife pulled the trigger on the Glock, and it fired. If she was reasonably careful about gun safety, this would not have happened, especially since she has fired this pistol before and knows (or should know) that a carry gun is loaded.

One thing's for sure - she'll think twice before pulling the trigger on a gun again.

 

[Yooper]

Right now would be a good time to train your wife in proper load/unload procedures. If the incident hasn't frightened her into never handling a gun again, perhaps "we" could take the proper steps so that "we" don't make the same mistake, or something along those lines. Thank goodness no one was hurt or worse.

 

[moby clarke]

Mark,

Thanks for having the courage to post this. I know several have flamed you and probably should have. However, I do think that it is always, and this is not really the correct term, helpful, to hear about such incidents so as to remind all of us that it can happen to every one. We often like to think we are better than that, but in reality, all it takes is one little slip in judgement or to relax for a moment and then, BANG. So we should all take this opportunity to step back and review our own situation and insure we are all being as careful and aware as we should be. Stay safe.

Chris

 

[Justin]

I have to agree with those who put the blame with you for letting the gun out of your direct control with another person present.

To my mind, this is exactly why basic gun safety should be taught to everyone at a young age.

 

[Ryder]

Enroll her in the Eddie Eagle program.

It wasn't just another person it was his wife and she should be expected to know better.

 

[c_yeager]

Never ever hand a loaded firearm to anyone. This includes shooting buddies who have been around weapons their entire lives. I consider this to be right up there with the "4 rules". People just don't think about a weapon being loaded unless they loaded it themselves.

 

[thatguy]

I have shot my house twice. One was my fault pulling the trigger when I thought it was unloaded and the other was a gun malfunction causing it to discharge. Both times the gun was safely pointed. A little spackle fixed things up.

Once I came home from a date and my room-mate looked very sheepish. "What happened?" I asked. He had fired a .30-30 round into his bedroom wall.

I have been present at three other ADs. One time I was with a group of friends were sitting around a buddy's house (way back in time, here, when we were college students). Don't ask me why, as I now can't recall, but a loaded pistol was laying on the counter between the kitchen and the living room. About 5 of us were watching TV when another friend showed up. He walked in, saw the gun and picked it up. We all turned our heads and watched him as he pulled the trigger. After putting a round in the living room floor, he casually set the gun back down, turned around and left the house. What was weird was that nobody even jumped at the shot. Not the witnesses, nor the shooter. And not a word was spoken after the shot. He just set the gun down and left and we went back to watching TV without a word. It was as if this sort of thing happened everyday.

BTW- The shooter later became a police officer.

The next time was in my car. A buddy was riding with me and he pulled out a 1911 for God only knows why and managed to double tap the windshield and roof of my car. He naver paid me back for the repair expense, BTW.

The last AD I saw was at a gunshow. A high-power rifle was discharged straight up into the ceiling. Everyone in the building froze at the shot and all sound stopped for about 3 seconds. Then life went on.

 

[Lennyjoe]

Markk9, welcome aboard.

Please dont take this as a personal attack but I also agree that the pistol should of been in your direct control.

Im also not a big fan of leaving a pistol in the night stand either, expecially when children live in the house. A pistol safe next to the bed is a better choice.

Unfortunately AD's happen. Thank the good Lord no one in your house was hurt. Even the most experienced gun owners have had an AD at some point in time. I have and am not afraid to admit it.

Bottom line is, learn from this event.

Think of what 1 thing that could of been done to eliminate the chain of events leading to the AD.

Again, welcome to THR

 

[cerberus]

Has happened before and will happen again

First the reason a person CCW is so people don't know you are packing. I guess your wife told her parents you carry Anyway as I have said before a Glock is a real poor choice to be handled by any person who is new to this gun. Or has not been trained on how it works. Glad no one got killed when it went off.

 

[CZ-100]

There is NO such thing as an AD, Accidental Discharge! Nothing Accidental about it, some one screwed up! :banghead:

IM glad no one was hurt.

 

[Walt Rauch]

maybe she just changed her mind.