Half the servicos aventuras primers I have used fail

[castile]

Borrow a 1911 if you’re able. I’ll wager five bucks 100% go bang.

I don't have to borrow. I have 7 1911s. All Colts but one Remington Rand WW2. I would assume you are right. That does not make the primers good. Just they need to be struck harder than most good primers. I bet one of my 357 mags would do the same. Its still a range only primer

 

[LiveLife]

Borrow a 1911 if you’re able. I’ll wager five bucks 100% go bang.

I have 7 1911s. All Colts but one Remington Rand WW2. I would assume you are right. That does not make the primers good. Just they need to be struck harder than most good primers.

FWIW, when a particular lot of Tula SP primers with harder cups failed to ignite 100%, I found I was able to use them in .45ACP cases with small primer pockets and they were 100% reliable with M&P45, Sig/SA/RIA 1911 and even Taurus PT145 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ts-your-experience.630512/page-5#post-7840156

When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.

 

[castile]

FWIW, when a particular lot of Tula SP primers with harder cups failed to ignite 100%, I found I was able to use them in .45ACP cases with small primer pockets and they were 100% reliable with M&P45, Sig/SA/RIA 1911 and even Taurus PT145 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ts-your-experience.630512/page-5#post-7840156

When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.

I agree. I am not going to sell the primers, but to use them for range ammo will be fine. I will load up some 45 ACP and run them in my series 70.

 

[Tall]

I got some of the Servicios primers from Norma recently. I loaded some ammo, they seated nicely I thought. Went to the range and had 9 FTF out of 50. I pulled a box of 50 and found the anvil machine had not put any anvils in many of the primers. 850 went in the trash and I will never buy any cheap primers from them again.

 

[9mmepiphany]

That does not make the primers good. Just they need to be struck harder than most good primers. I bet one of my 357 mags would do the same. Its still a range only primer

You're likely correct given your reloading process/equipment.

At a match this weekend, I ran into a buddy who mentioned that he used these primers because of their price. He was loading them in 9mm for use in everything from his SIG 320 and 365 to his PCCs(Ruger, SIG, and Leadstar). He's up to 3000+ rounds so far of the 5k he loaded and hasn't had any failures to ignite since the first hundred. He said it was simply a matter of increasing primer seating depth on his press

 

[LiveLife]

9 FTF out of 50. I pulled a box of 50 and found the anvil machine had not put any anvils in many of the primers. 850 went in the trash

You should have emailed NormaUSA pictures of those primers without anvils.

Any other THR members experiencing the same issue of no anvils in the primer cups?

 

[9mmepiphany]

Any other THR members experiencing the same issue of no anvils in the primer cups?

I'm very interested too...and would have also contacted the vendor

I did notice that when I deprimed a couple of cases, which had folded mouths, which I had primed with metric primers (Ginex) the anvils to detach when they popped out...likely due to that the additional seating pressure when seating them below flush

 

[EricBu]

I finally got a chance to go to the range. My association range is closed due to someone shooting a rifle over the berm and it hitting a house a mile and a half way. They are closed until they can get the berm's higher and put in some baffles. So I loaded 4 groups of 9mm. All to be shot with the same gun. I used CCI in a test control. I used the same hand priming system I used for the first batch. Then I loaded up a group that used the Hornady priming that is on my press, single stage. Then I used the new hand priming Franklin Arsenal. The CCI preformed flawless, the servicos aventuras same story in every group. Although I have to say it seemed like less failures and some of the failures would fire on second strike. So as I assumed it is the primers not a seating issue. for those who say they have no issue, could be a batch thing, could be your pistol strikes harder than the Ruger SR9. But in the end its the primers.

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Well, unless you measured the seating depth....you haven't shown anything other than you continue to not seat the SA primers deep enough. So again, the SA primers are a larger diameter than CCI. You aren't testing Apples to Apples...and nowhere do you show that you took your dial calipers, and actually measured your seating depth. It's sooooo well established that the issue with these is seating depth, lol. I don't understand why guys fight this so bad.....lack of knowledge how to measure? Whatever. FYI, restrike firing is the CLASSIC symptom of incorrectly seated primers. Man....just take about 20 of your loads and measure the primer depth....if you can't measure a MINIMUM of .003 below flush.........it's wrong.

 

[ColKurtz]

Could be the hardness, could be the lot I got these from. But in the end these are only good for range ammo. Not a primer that one should put their life on the line. I would avoid these unless you can not get anything else, then only for range.

I’d question the wisdom of carrying hand loads for self defense anyway.

 

[Soonerpesek]

You should have emailed NormaUSA pictures of those primers without anvils.

YES…

Any other THR members experiencing the same issue of no anvils in the primer cups?

NO…

 

[Tall]

You should have emailed NormaUSA pictures of those primers without anvils.

Any other THR members experiencing the same issue of no anvils in the primer cups?

I thought about that and how Norma would respond. I decided I didn't want any replacement primers from them and to just end it by throwing the remainder in the trash. I've never had a US manufactured primer that failed to fire in 45 years of handloading. BTW I use store bought ammo for self defense - no need to give lawyers an opening.

 

[dannyd]

Just loaded the 11,100 SA primer.

 

[peeplwtchr]

Some guns don't like them. I've read that glocks are the most finicky with them. One of my caniks had a ftf about 5% of the time. I really don't mind though, because I only use them for training ammo, and it gives me an opportunity to practice failure drills. I throw the failures back in my ammo stash so they will fail again unexpectedly, for that purpose. In several PCCs I've shot them in, no failures.

 

[Soonerpesek]

Just loaded the 11,100 SA primer.

Shouldda loaded 11 more……

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I shot 100 today from three different revolvers: one with a weak mainspring, one that has a record of not liking hard primers and one with a new mainspring that eats anything I feed it. The weak mainspring required a second strike on two SyA (and one CCI) and the one that doesn’t like hard primers needed a second strike on one SyA.
I tested them in a hurry but overall I’d say they’re on par with WSP or Fiocchi.

They didn’t seat any harder for me but I use a uniforming tool on my brass so maybe that’s why.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I don't have to borrow. I have 7 1911s. All Colts but one Remington Rand WW2. I would assume you are right. That does not make the primers good. Just they need to be struck harder than most good primers. I bet one of my 357 mags would do the same. Its still a range only primer

Has anyone tried the SyA SP primers with W296 or AA4100 to see if they work for “magnum” powders?

 

[LV Gun]

I bought a box of these primers. I just loaded up some 380 and 9mm for my wife and I to go to the range. It was about half would not fire even on a second strike. Has anyone had any issues with these types of primers? This is unreal. Maybe I got a bad lot.

I have used 8000 of them already the one thing you have to do like others have said is seat them deep. You have to use more force to to get them there especially in new brass . I did have issues at first in two guns with FTF’s one being a XD in 40 S&W then the recoil spring broke got a new one from Springfield and that was the end of it in that gun. My S&W 627 PC in 38 Super hates them so I use Federal, Unis Ginex, or Fiocchi in that one based on what I can get locally otherwise I really like the Servicios Aventuras primers and they will ignite W296/H110 with no problem. You have got to seat them deeper just remember that and you should be fine.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I really like the Servicios Aventuras primers and they will ignite W296/H110 with no problem.

Excellent! Thanks.

I suspect these are thick enough for use in SR as well. Maybe not where the possibility of a slamfire exists but anywhere you would use a WSR primer.

I will try them out in .357Mag and Max with W296 and No.11FS next.

 

[Havok7416]

Excellent! Thanks.

I suspect these are thick enough for use in SR as well. Maybe not where the possibility of a slamfire exists but anywhere you would use a WSR primer.

I will try them out in .357Mag and Max with W296 and No.11FS next.

They are definitely not suitable for SR use unless the case pressure is low. I tested S&A primers in my Blackout and got pierced primers with supersonics.

 

[Soonerpesek]

They didn’t seat any harder for me but I use a uniforming tool on my brass so maybe that’s why.

You have got to seat them deeper just remember that and you should be fine.

I have noticed (and this may have been presented before by someone ?) that the SyA's already have the anvil legs "preloaded"...

SyA - on the left
WSP - in the center
CCI - on the right

 

[Blue68f100]

I noticed that too. Which means the primer MUST be Fully seated in the pocket to support the anvil. Those brass with rounded primer pockets corners will prevent the anvil from getting supported.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I have noticed (and this may have been presented before by someone ?) that the SyA's already have the anvil legs "preloaded"...

SyA - on the left
WSP - in the center
CCI - on the right

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Well I’ll be! I hadn’t noticed that before.

 

[Tilos]

I noticed that too. Which means the primer MUST be Fully seated in the pocket to support the anvil. Those brass with rounded primer pockets corners will prevent the anvil from getting supported.

Some of us went thru this with Wolf primers back in 2012.
There were even some who swore their seating was NOT the issue, it was the primers.
All the Similar Theads at the bottom of this thread are proof of that.

I remember putting a shim on my press where the priming pin hit and adjusting the stop screw on the opposite side shorter to allow the shell plate more downward travel.
Even that was not enough and still got some primers that needed a second hit to ignite.

Later I found that the spring on the priming pin was coil binding, limiting its travel.
I cut a coil off the spring and got 100% primer ignition!
That shim is still there today and I still push on the lever with crushing force.

Looking at the SAMMI min/max primer thickness posted here reveals that seating primers 0.003" below flush is not enough in all cases.
I have waited for others to make this point, but no one has, so...
jmo,
.

 

[Soonerpesek]

We all went thru this with Wolf primers back in 2012.

Not ALL of us…. I didn’t start handloading ‘til 2017………
I wasn’t “fortunate” enough to get learnt with the shortages and such before that …..

 

[Tilos]

Not ALL of us…. I didn’t start handloading ‘til 2017………
I wasn’t “fortunate” enough to get learnt with the shortages and such before that …..

Changed it...