Handgun Ban passes in San Francisco

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Implied Preemption

If we were to find in the San Francisco Handgun Ordinance no
"licensing" requirement within the express wording of Government
Code section 53071 and Penal Code section 12026, we would still
reach the conclusion that state law preempts the San Francisco
ordinance under the theory of implied preemption. It is at least
arguable that the state Legislature's adoption of numerous gun
regulations has not impliedly preempted all areas of gun
regulation. (See Galvan, supra, 70 Cal.2d at p. 860, 76 Cal.Rptr.
642, 452 P.2d 930.) However, we infer from Penal Code section 12026
that the Legislature intended to occupy the field of residential
handgun possession to the exclusion of local governmental entities.
A restriction on requiring permits and licenses necessarily implies
that possession is lawful without a permit or license. It strains
reason to suggest that the state Legislature would prohibit
licenses and permits but allow a ban on possession.

Let a preemptory writ of mandate issue directing respondents
to refrain from enforcing the San Francisco Handgun Ordinance and
to provide suitable notice to the residents of San Francisco that
the ordinance will not be enforced. Petitioners' requests for
attorney's fees are denied.

FEINBERG and BARRY-DEAL, J., concur.

FOOTNOTES

1. We note that Commons and Jenkins were decided before adoption of
Government Code section 53071 and that in Olsen, the court did not
state that the area of "possession" was not preempted, only that
the area of "use" was not expressly preempted. Thus none of the
three courts considered the relationship between a ban on
possession and the licensing requirement it implicitly creates if
it exempts licensed persons from the ban.

2. The City and County cites Gluck v. County of Los Angeles (1979)
93 Cal.App.3d 121, 132. 155 Cal.Rptr. 435, for the principle that
we should indulge a presumption in favor of the validity of the
local ordinance. However, as we read Gluck, it applies to implied
preemption, not to express preemption or conflict between state and
local law. Even were we to indulge a presumption in favor of the
local ordinance, we would find it expressly preempted, in direct
conflict with state law, and impliedly preempted.
 
Isn't this law grossly unconstitutional?

It seems akin to my municipality enacting a voter approved ordnance banning free press or public assembly.

I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of this...
 
A. Anyone who chooses to continue to live in California, and more specifically San Francisco, has elected to accept this type of idiocy. They have prioritized the issues in their lives, and decided that sanity and the RKBA is way down at the bottom of the pyramid. My sympathy level: Zero.

B. We should applaud this action. By this time next year we will also be able to point to San Francisco as another example of the ineffectiveness of gun control.
 
I'll be interested in seeing what legal San Fran handgun owners decide to do come April.


How long will the lines be, full of those waiting to turn in their property, like in England and Australia?

hillbilly
 
Maybe I should start offering a service to SanFrancisco handgun owners. I'll gladly take posession of your handgun and after 5 years, it becomes my property if the law is not changed. But with a small fee of course. These sheeple are used to being screwed, and I might as well get in line to enjoy the benifits too. :evil: besides, I'm going to have to buy several safes to hold all of those handguns safely!
 
Another interesting point: What of DiFi? She has a SanFran HCP. She either has to move, or toss away her sidearm.
 
Unconstittutional? How so? It has already been shown and tested that the second amendment can be infringed. Similar exclusionary handgun laws are already in place in Chicago and New York.

Gun manufacture boycott like Barrett? Unlike Barrett, some other companies may actually have some big contracts with SF LEO agencies and if so and the gun companies fail to fulfill their contracts, they will be sued by the city for breech of contract. Like Barrett, even if they don't have contracts in place, the ability to boycott selling and servicing to goverenment organization within SF will not work as said organizations will simply purchase through other vendors.

Actually, this could get very interesting. Now that law abiding citizens can no longer possess handguns in SF, it will be a sociology experiment that will be able to track crime rates. I give it a few years and home invasions should start going up, along with all the other crimes against people who can't protect themselves in their own homes.

BobR, I see you are one of those folks who doesn't think people can defend themselves without handguns. If folks cannot defend themselves without handguns, then they were people with a defeatist attitude and too lazy to pursue alternative forms of self defense. It is somewhat akin to those folks we read about who are in a gun fight and their gun malfunctions and then end up dead because they didn't know how to clear the malfunction so they not longer had a way to defend themselves. They don't use flight, cover, etc.

Personally, I do not see how it is that you are suggesting folks cannot defend themselves in their own homes without handguns. Surely you are not one of those people who thinks a handgun is the optimal home defense weapon. It really isn't and the ban does not preclude rifles or shotguns.
 
Ban handguns in San Francisco? Deny military recruiters in schools?

Why one would think Al Qaeda was in charge! ;)

Should have been a ballot measure to ban gays, teach kids proper gun handling, and encourage military service: It would have been called THE TRADITIONAL AMERICA MEASURE!

No such luck!

How does San Francisco measure stand against 2nd Amendment which trumps it?
 
``We now have the moral weight of the city behind us, and it's
definitely a valuable asset to have in our corner,'' said Bob
Matthews, an activist for the proposition.
SF & morals - go together like a hand and a glove.... maybe that should be a fist in a rubber glove.

G
 
I need to read the new measure, as I only read the old measure. In the old measure it says CCW holders can still come in and people licensed to sell handguns. I am both and in which case, I might head up there just to sit around with my handguns and there won't be a darn thing they can do about it. If you want me to hold onto your handguns, let me know. I am just down here in Bakersfield and I am a fully licensed 01 FFL. No fee, no charge. You will just have to DROS them to get them back.
 
Sympathy for the 42% who opposed the ban?

SIOP said:
A. Anyone who chooses to continue to live in California, and more specifically San Francisco, has elected to accept this type of idiocy. They have prioritized the issues in their lives, and decided that sanity and the RKBA is way down at the bottom of the pyramid. My sympathy level: Zero.

B. We should applaud this action. By this time next year we will also be able to point to San Francisco as another example of the ineffectiveness of gun control.
 
California sucks.
I mean, really, what else can you say?
I feel sorry for everyone trapped there, but the time is coming. (nee Claire Wolfe)
 
Now SF can join the list of safest cities which includes Washington, D.C. and Chicago. (Safest for criminals, of course.)
 
Hey if the people of this state want to send their guns to South Carolina for you to hold onto them, that is cool. If you want to keep them in the state at least so when you move to a free section of the state, send them to me. This is the free market at its finest! :neener:

You are right though. I might run out of safe space, never! How many people do you think really own handguns in SF? I wonder why the Pink Pistols didn't get more press about this thing? Maybe since I don't live up there I missed it.
 
I'm sad, especially because I have some friends in SF who are handgun owners. Maybe time to teach them the joys of the rifle. "Thanks a lot Mr. Daly. We have switched for ineffective handguns to deadly long-range rifles. Good idea!"

Note the wording of the proposition does not say sales or transfer of handgun ammunition is banned. It says ammunition, meaning ALL. If you give(transfer) a box of shotgun shells to your friend to shoot skeet you are in violation of the law.

THE PROPOSAL: Proposition H is an ordinance that would ban the manufacture, distribution, sale and transfer of firearms and ammunition within San Francisco.

Actually it doesn't say handguns in the section that prohibits ownership, sale, transfer or manufacture. It says FIREARMS. Welcome to complete gun ban, not even Washington DC pulled that off. Long guns are still legal in DC.
 
Soon to become the Washington DC of the west.

If housing values decline because of this, this could be the prick that causes the housing bubble to pop.
 
Will the NRA step up to the plate with legal challenges to this absurdity?


Just like they stepped up to the plate on the Assault Weapons Ban. It's one and the same.:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:
 
San Franciso, what a hole - stationed there for three years, will NEVER go back.
I expect to see more Calirefugees here in Free AZ before too long.
I believe this measure bas all handguns, and bans the sale or transfer of long guns, or any ammo of any type? Does it require the long guns to be dissassembled, ala DC?
Here I sit with my CZ loaded on my hip, legal as church on Sunday...in Free AZ....
 
I was in San Francisco last month on a business conference. Absolutly one of the most beautiful city's I've EVER been to. It is a shame it is so polluted with liberals. :barf:
 
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