Handgun Ban passes in San Francisco

[DontBurnMyFlag]

when will it be socially acceptable for me to throw hand grenades in the back of UN trucks yelling WOLVERINES!!!

 

[Live Free Or Die]

San Franciso, what a hole - stationed there for three years, will NEVER go back.
I expect to see more Calirefugees here in Free AZ before too long.
I believe this measure bas all handguns, and bans the sale or transfer of long guns, or any ammo of any type? Does it require the long guns to be dissassembled, ala DC?

Here's some info on Prop H: http://www.sfgov.org/site/election_index.asp?id=33917

The ban doesn't say anything about long-guns, except that they can't be manufactured or sold in the city. Same is true for ALL firearms...so maybe you can still manufacture and sell cap & ball guns there?

The part I'm not sure about is this: "...ban the manufacture, distribution, sale and transfer of firearms and ammunition within San Francisco." Does this imply one cannot legally bring ammunition (i.e., "transfer it") into the city? If so, this seems to make the existing, legal long guns rather useless, since AFAIK ammo is used by long guns. For that matter, while the ban prevents San Fran residents from owning handguns, doesn't it also create a de-facto ban on any NEW long guns, since they would have to be purchased outside the city, and illegally transferred to one's residence?

Hopefully transfer is a legal term that does not mean the same thing as transport. Still, the ban sure makes it sound like you better not give any ammo to anyone else in the city, including as a gift or just giving your buddy a brick as he's on his way to the range.

 

[ScottsGT]

when will it be socially acceptable for me to throw hand grenades in the back of UN trucks yelling WOLVERINES!!!

Now....

 

[halvey]

The sad part is the people VOTED to deny themselves 2nd amendment rights and deny others, in the case of recruiters 1st amendment rights!!

I'd say the gun companies should no longer deal with San Fran AND the military, along with the national guard should have no requirement to defend this city.

 

[BenW]

What's crazy about Prop 77 was that it was opposed even in very conservative areas. I think a lot of people just didn't understand what gerrymandering is, how it affects us, why it's bad, etc.

More likely, they figured since Judge Wapner was against it, they should be too.

I just read that the unions outspent the Governor two to one on Proposition 75. Kind of ironic, considering.

There were also a whole bunch of local liberal media sources against Proposition H in SF, yet it still passed by a pretty wide margin.

This was one of our more bizarro State elections, with the general populace seeming to go out of their way to vote whichever way will most negatively impact them.

 

[bruss01]

Somehow I knew it was going to come up that way in SF.

I voted this morning and helped make Texas the 19th state to ban gay marriage in the state constitution.

Now the liberals have 2 good reasons to get the hell out of Texas and stay out. No gay marriage here and they can move to SF and enjoy their crime ridden guncontrol sodomy capital of the world.

Just what we need... a set of JIM CROW laws for the new generation.

 

[Colt46]

I live in the south bay

Never again will I set foot in that fair city knowing that the Constitution of the United States is invalid on that soil.

 

[DontBurnMyFlag]

*snakes voice from the simpsons*

"alright! Crime spree!!!"

The people of SF dug their own grave.

 

[Guy B. Meredith]

I wonder if Chabot is outside the affected area? Is it merely a civic thing, or does it apply to the whole county?

Chabot is in Alameda County.

 

[M-Rex]

California sucks.
I mean, really, what else can you say?
I feel sorry for everyone trapped there, but the time is coming. (nee Claire Wolfe)

I am so ashamed of this cesspool of filth and leftist dogma. Bozeman, Montana...here we come.

California is a cancer on the United States. It shouldn't secede. It should be excised.

All of you folks who live in 'Free America', get ready. Other cities are going to be emboldened to try to pass similar junk legislation.

 

[teCh0010]

If they allow other organizations to recruit on campus and participate in fair type events wouldn't it be a 1st amendment violation to exclude the Military? The city and school system aren't private business with the right to refuse service to anyone.

"College not Combat" - How many higher educations has the military paid for again?

CA Bill of Rights - Related to the Military recruiters

Sec. 9. Every citizen may freely speak, write, and publish his sentiments
on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that right;
and no law shall be passed to restrain or abridge the liberty of
speech or of the press. In all criminal prosecutions on indict-
ments for libels, the truth may be given in evidence to the jury;
and if it shall appear to the jury that the matter charged as
libelous is true, and was published with good motives and for
justifiable ends, the party shall be acquitted; and the jury shall
have the right to determine the law and the fact.

Sec. 10. The people shall have the right freely to assemble together, to
consult for the common good, to instruct their representatives,
and to petition the Legislature for redress of grievances.

I also find it interesting that a state that is leading the charge against "God" has "grateful to Almighty God for our freedom" in their constitution.

WE, the People of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom: in order to secure its blessings, do establish this Constitution--

 

[Arch]

What is your problem with gay marrage? What do you care if two blokes/gals want a wedding? Thats the same kind of stupidity that drives the anti-gunners.

 

[boofus]

The problem is people of that persuasion are overwhelmingly Democrat and vote for this rubbish they just passed in SF and myself and the vast majority of Texans (over 75%) don't want that kind of voter polluting this great state.

Gays can go and get married, live long and prosper. Just don't do it here because they elect people like Sheila Jackson-Lee and ban guns.

 

[Live Free Or Die]

I also find it interesting that a state that is leading the charge against "God" has "grateful to Almighty God for our freedom" in their constitution.

I'm sure someone's already working on getting God removed from CA's constitution.

 

[AZRickD]

...and makes it illegal for residents to keep handguns in their homes or businesses.

I'm tempted to do a career change as armed robber and move to this hen house they call San Francisco. Or maybe just invest in some B&E Mutual funds.

Prediction: crime rate increases markedly.

I hope that NRA/GOA/SAF can be as successful in court this time as last time.

Rick

 

[texagun]

It's not "all guns" as your header suggests - isn't is limited to handguns?

I think you are right Rick. I tried to edit the title after it was submitted, but was unable to change it. According to the news bulletin:

"The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms
and ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to
keep handguns in their homes or businesses."

It would appear that you can own a long gun, but would have to import your ammunition from someplace else. However, you cannot sell (and presumably not buy) ANY firearm or ammunition within the city.

 

[Colt]

What is your problem with gay marrage? What do you care if two blokes/gals want a wedding?

If that's all it was, I wouldn't care. But that's not it. They don't just want a wedding. They want to adopt, they want the gay "lifestyle" taught in schools as normal, and they want special protection under the law.

They want to shove their perverted lifestyle down our throats and have us accept, approve of it, and endorse it.

Forget it.

It's not a Jim Crow law. They have the same rights as the rest of us.

 

[Live Free Or Die]

It's not a Jim Crow law. They have the same rights as the rest of us.

Except, apparently, the right to be legally married in Texas and 18 other states.

FWIW I think governments (state, local, federal, you name it) shouldn't be in the business of marriage whastoever.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Just like they stepped up to the plate on the Assault Weapons Ban. It's one and the same.

How refreshing! More informed criticism of the NRA on THR... I guess you missed reading the paragraph where the NRA announced they intended to challenge the ban in court (and where they will likely win considering they have won twice in the past on the same issue and no new laws have been passed)?

I can't tell you how much I value the throwaway, unsupported comment on various topics of relevance here at THR. There is nothing quite like making vague and highly opinionated allegations completely unsupported by fact to contribute to the RKBA movement. It is only by mobilizing those who can't even bother to read the article they are commenting on that we will ever reverse the slide of the Second Amendment towards obscurity!

 

[Chrontius]

Somehow I knew it was going to come up that way in SF.

I voted this morning and helped make Texas the 19th state to ban gay marriage in the state constitution.

Now the liberals have 2 good reasons to get the hell out of Texas and stay out. No gay marriage here and they can move to SF and enjoy their crime ridden guncontrol sodomy capital of the world.

...

The Pink Pistols will be ecstatic.

 

[Camp David]

According to the news bulletin:

"The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms
and ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to
keep handguns in their homes or businesses.".

Anyone want to take a bet that home break ins, assaults, and rapes in the city will dramatically skyrocket in SF as the bad guys realize they have nothing at all to fear from unarmed residents!

 

[Chrontius]

If that's all it was, I wouldn't care. But that's not it. They don't just want a wedding. They want to adopt, they want the gay "lifestyle" taught in schools as normal, and they want special protection under the law.

They want to shove their perverted lifestyle down our throats and have us accept, approve of it, and endorse it.

Forget it.

It's not a Jim Crow law. They have the same rights as the rest of us.

To visit their loved ones in the hospital and inherit property in the absence of a will?

Oh wait...

 

[Pilgrim]

"The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms
and ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to
keep handguns in their homes or businesses."

In the finest tradition of billie jeff clinton, I expect there will be some serious debate on what the word 'resident' really means.

Pilgrim

 

[boofus]

The Pink Pistols will be ecstatic.

The PP are an anomaly. If I recall correctly they were banned from participating in a gay rights march because the coordinators were grabbers. It would not be a far stretch to say the vast majority of gays openly support trashing the 2nd Amendment.

One ill deed deserves another is what I say.

 

[Live Free Or Die]

Anyone want to take a bet that home break ins, assaults, and rapes in the city will dramatically skyrocket in SF as the bad guys realize they have nothing at all to fear from unarmed residents!

No, that's a pretty lurid bet.

Seriously though, I don't think anyone should be pleased when the result of such bans leads to increased human suffering. It's just as detestable as when the anti's gloat over gun crime and use it as a "told you so!" argument to promote more gun control, IMO. The temptation can be strong, but sometimes 'ya gotta just take THR.