hangfires and unburned powder?

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I am going to offer the idea that the primer is not being struck hard enough. This could be due to excessive headspace, where the sizing die set the shoulder too far back. Could be aggravated by off center firing pin hits, which are not all that uncommon. Or, maybe the primers were not fully seated in the pocket, requiring the firing pin to seat the primer. Maybe you have a weak mainspring.

I have had hangfires and squibs in high mileage revolver. It stuck a bullet in the barrel throat, burnt powder looked like gray cotton candy. Nice indentations on the primer. A new mainspring fixed that.

Bullet lodged in throat, took a screwdriver and hammer to beat it back enough to open cylinder

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Primer looked well struck

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I also had hangfires in a M1903 35 Whelen. Nice indentations That took a new mainspring, sizing the cases so that there was no clearance, in other words, a slight crush fit, or a zero headspace fit. And I started using Federal primers in 35 Whelen, Federals are the most sensitive primers on the market. That was one 35 Whelen, my 35 Whelen Dumoulin Mauser, I replaced the firing pin with one that had more protrusion. The Dumoulin was not hangfiring, it was misfiring. Primers looked well struck, nice indentations, etc, found a WW1 era firing pin that had more firing pin protrusion, everything is going bang.

This is a two dimensional image of a three dimensional chart, would have liked to see the three dimensional. I believe this was made to compare manufacturability of different primer compounds, so the moisture content is important in the factory, for safety. But still, look at probability of ignition for a dry primer cake. There is an energy input band in which the primer cake won't ignite, then maybe ignites, than fully ignites. Incomplete primer ignition will not completely ignite a powder charge. It takes a good strong flame for complete ignition.

Maybe that is your problem. Check the cartridge case headspace of a fired cartridge against a sized cartridge, if there is too much clearance, that could be your problem.

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Thank you for the wonderful information @Slamfire !

That inspired a thought. It was not mentioned that any bullets were stuck in the bore. This suggests there was not enough pressure to stick the bullet. This could be a possibility, since the powder was verified "pourably dry".

Oh! It feels like when the G-men are closing in on the bank robbers!

@ohihunter2014, hopefully you have not pulled the bullets yet! If you have measured the base to ogive before now, could you do it again before you pull them?
If they are not longer perchance the primers are to blame... ish, well, what Slamfire said!:)
 
I wonder too, if the compound in the primer is more absorbent than the powder. If so, it could take the moisture from the powder, however little it is. Perhaps so little water, oil, solvent, is needed to retard the burning of the primer such that it will not raise enough pressure to ignite the powder, but will still burn the primer.
I have read articles of powder burn rates slowing with increased moister content, but with no remark to the primer as it was a laboratory analysis solely interested in the powder.
 
The depth of knowledge involved with this forum is unfathomable.

Thank you for the wonderful information @Slamfire !

That inspired a thought. It was not mentioned that any bullets were stuck in the bore. This suggests there was not enough pressure to stick the bullet. This could be a possibility, since the powder was verified "pourably dry".

Oh! It feels like when the G-men are closing in on the bank robbers!

@ohihunter2014, hopefully you have not pulled the bullets yet! If you have measured the base to ogive before now, could you do it again before you pull them?
If they are not longer perchance the primers are to blame... ish, well, what Slamfire said!:)
I will try and do that tonight and get back to you guys. I just got hit with a fever and stomach ache so I think I'm staying in bed the rest of the night.
 
I wonder too, if the compound in the primer is more absorbent than the powder.

Primer cake is normally water soluble, used to be that polluting solvents were used, same as car paint, but from what I have read, industry found a way to use water. But, primers are coated with a sealant, and that sealant is pretty good. Try dudding a primer with oil and other materials. It is pretty hard to do.
 
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