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Has France grown a spine??

Discussion in 'Legal' started by ravinraven, Jul 30, 2005.

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  1. ravinraven

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    Drudge is reporting this morning that France is shipping Islamic hate ministers back to their countries of origin even if they have obtained French citizenship. They apparently have the largest Muslim population in Europe.

    This coupled with the renoucing of terrorism by certain leaders of Islam here in America bodes well, methinks.

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  2. gringolet

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    good news

    now, if we and the brits would ship some of the hate-mongers out of our own nests that would be nice! Ultimately the Muslimns themselves are going to have to decide if they want to be members of the civilized world and conduct their affairs in open and free political discussion or if they want to slink about with their children packing bombs strapped to their chests as their means of addressing the rest of the world. Is gfood some of their "clerics" are speaking out against the murder and suicide, it's been a long time coming and hopefully it is the start of a long hard look into itself by the Islamic world.
     
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    I just cannot get enthused about the French. When the country is mentioned to me I think of a place that Germans like to "visit", big noses, haughty attitudes and street corner pissoirs.
     
  5. MikeIsaj

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    This is no change for France. They've always been concerned with protecting their own interests. They've never hesitated to ask us for help.

    It's the rest of the world they don't care about.
     
  6. Waitone

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    Considering France's population is something like 12%, expelling the haters is a gutsy move. I wonder if their intel people are saying some really unpleasant things.
     
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    France could become the next Islamic Republic if they don't get things under control, and fast.
     
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    The Louve would make a heck of a mosque....
     
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    According to Fox News this AM, the Brits are changing their laws to jail the hate mongers.

    Just a guess, but I suspect putting them in solitary (if that's what they do) might be more effective than exporting them back to their point of origin where they can fester and ferment trouble for export back to EU

    Time will tell..
     
  10. Warbow

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    This isn't new. France has been deporting Muslim clerics who preach hate before this. I think people get caught up in the "France is wussy" mantra because everyone else says it and it just keeps getting repeated. But of all western society countries, France is one of the last ones you want to be suspected or arrested for terroristic activities.
     
  11. Byron Quick

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    France growing a spine?

    Nope, another poster has already said it but I'll repeat it: France acts in its own interests and cares not about the interests of any other country.

    France rails about US unilateralism. Let Al Quaeda hit Paris as hard as New York was hit. When the French get a handle on the whereabouts of the group...watch the mushroom clouds blossom.
     
  12. CAnnoneer

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    +1 Byron

    France is an iron fist in a thick velvet glove. Squishiness is superficial. Once you cut deep enough, you are going to hit the metal.

    Since Napoleon, they have not really been a world power, so they overcompensate by criticizing anyone bigger than them, to reassert their independence and thus ego. Just like a chihuahua.

    They may honestly hate Dubya, but I do not think they have EVER really hated America.
     
  13. Kurush

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    +1 to previous two comments. France has had a chip on their shoulder the size of Henri Petain ever since they surrendered in WW2, and maybe even since the Franco-Prussian War. Dien Bien Phu made it worse. They specifically hate the US and England because they know we saved their keisters from not only Nazi Germany but also from becoming a Soviet client state, and they can't stand it.
     
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    When the Italian police searched that terrorist scumbags apartment it's being reported they found maps of the Paris Metro system. Maybe they were going to take their bombing campaign there next.
     
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    The found four types in NJ with NY metro maps and $8,000 in cash. Report aired once and disappeared.
     
  16. longeyes

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    Lots of problems with France, yeah, but grant them this: They have a sense of what it is to be FRENCH, for better or worse. We can learn from that kind of self-scrutiny and self-definition.
     
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    For sale: One French Military rifle. Never fired. Droped once during surrender.

    Kevin
     
  18. Byron Quick

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    Ever notice what happens when it's French peacekeepers in Africa? The fighting generally stops the moment they deploy. There's a reason for this. The French military doesn't believe in using diplomacy or surgical strikes when they have this great big sledgehammer. What was the country in Africa just recently that shot a couple of French planes? The French response was to destroy that country's entire air force.

    Now I'm not claiming that French military forces are super bad. But the record shows that it's not a good idea to be on the side that has less military muscle than the French. When they get the upper hand; they don't figure they should have to fight you again.
     
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    The Ivory Coast.
     
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    Deporting their own citizens is a good thing?

    That kind of implies that they are deporting them to countries they aren't citizens of, and sort of says 'you're not really French, we can kick you out at any time' to a great swathe of the population. We support this? Remember who came second in the last French presidential race (in a choice between a ******, a turd sandwich and a fascist)

    Try people for (real) crimes and lock them away if they have done anything, I don't support booting people out of a country of which they are a citizen because we don't like some of the stuff they say.

    I actually think the French are on the whole ok (-UK rebate and a few other things) and that a lot of the criticism around here is unfounded. Strange that when you agree with them, I don't.

    It was the Ivory Coast by the way. French aren't popular there, the Ivorian 'Young Patriots' (pro-Government youth organisation) recently got up a petition to become the 51st state and help you smash the French.
     
  21. CAPTAIN MIKE

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    Forget "Shipping Them Away". Get RID of the Vermin

    Around my office, when anyone mentions France, we all laugh. France is still trying to figure out who to Surrender to.

    France thinks that if it takes a bunch of hate-mongering, talkative extremists and sends them somewhere else on an airplane that will solve the problem but it leaves those vermin still able to speak, write and foment hatred for anyone who is not a Muslim extremist. And very conveniently it gives them a free airplane ride to their "prime recruiting ground".

    Muslim extremists no more represent Islam than the KKK represents Christianity. Unforunately, Muslims don't have an equivalent to the The Pope who can excommunicate the terrorists. They apparently don't have a religious hierarchy that has the moral fortitude to publically and repeatedly denounce terrorist and kick them out of the Muslim Faith. They can't exactly take away their Membership Cards and "fire" them as Muslims.

    I say that hate-mongering by Islamic leaders is a clear sign of departure from the moral tenants of Islam. Terrorist are not "martyrs" - they are, pure and simple, killers and murderers of innocent people who are guilty of nothing more than being non-Muslims.

    Until the Muslim mullahs and the "silent majority" of Muslims publicly demonstrate and march against Terrorism and Extremism, many non-Muslims will treat Muslims with disdain and suspicion. And that's a sad thing. Any way you slice it, having your religion hijacked by people who give it a bad name is sad thing.

    France doesn't have the B*LLS for it but they should legislate against hate-mongering and make it a Capital Offense.
     
  22. longeyes

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    I think a citizen is more than someone who takes up real estate and relies on welfare. Advocating violent overthrow of your adopted nation is constructive forfeiture of citizenship.
     
  23. Iain

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    Plenty of people that we couldn't even begin to deport anywhere have advocated such things. We couldn't deport them because they aren't 'foreign' (regardless of actual citizenship). That sort of makes this a race thing.
     
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    +1 longeyes

    Also, the real watershed is if they advocate a violent change of the government or not:

    1) Non-violent change - Ghandi's - let them preach under free speech.
    2) Preaching violence - jail time.

    If you can't deport them, use #2. If there is no direct law about it, why not make one? Meanwhile, put them in protective custody to save them against the righteous indignation of their neighbors. In any case, letting enemy agitators and possibly recruiters run amok is just insane.
     
  25. Byron Quick

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    Being Arabic is a cultural phenomenon. Being Muslim is a religious phenomenon. Neither depends on race in any fashion. Most people in southwest Asia and the Indian subcontinent are considered Caucasian by scientists. Race is not determined by skin color alone. For example, the aborigines are not classified as Negroes. Neither are the Bushmen of the Kalahari Desert in South Africa.

    Tell me, if I kick an Arab imam out of the US...that could be racist, huh? Even though he's a red head?
     
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