Has this Obama/Pelosi ammo market turned you from a shooter to an ammo hoarder?

[Prosser]

When Obama was elected, with a democratic congress, it created one of the greatest runs on guns, EVER. The combination did more for the gun industry then WW 2. The major companies, Ruger, etc. have been running 24/7 since that time, and making TONS of money. They keep raising prices, people keep buying guns. Oddly, there hasn't been a real attack on the law. In fact, Obama has been waiting for his legacy: hoping to stack the Supreme Court. Currently the court has ruled for the Second Amendment, 5-4, in a couple cases. These are historic cases, but, those of us that follow that, know it could change with one conservative judge having a heart attack..

Also, Obama has not taken on the gun issue, since the current political climate suggests that would keep him from being relected. Remember, he started with a Democratic House, lost that, and taking on guns might well be political suicide in his attempt for a 2nd term.

IF he manages to make it to second term, he has nothing to loose trying to keep guns out of the common people's hands. He doesn't really care about american jobs, etc. Rumor is his plan is to try and take out the Second Amendment, if he makes it to second term.

All that said, his actions, and the Democrats, have fueled a gun buying frenzy. If you buy guns, you have to buy ammunition, and, as others have pointed out, it also seems Congress is attacking guns by selling vital supplies of raw products to producers like China. That's what we, China's colony do.
Supply raw product for them to produce a finished good.

 

[Beagle-zebub]

Prosser, what raw supplies does Congress sell to China? What raw supplies do they even have authority over?

 

[Prosser]

"Well, shredding brass then selling the scrap to china doesn't help."
Jim Stevens

I'm really curious how you can even question this. Our entire nation, and the majority of the 6th largest economy in the world, Kali's Silicon Valley industry, has been in the process of being outsourced to Mexico, India, China, etc.

Congress and the president have actually PROMOTED moving our key industries offshore, NAFTA etc.

Seems they are intent on selling out the American job market, in the name of free trade? Why?

 

[dom1104]

Wait, the OP makes 20k a year and wants to reload a bunch of specialty calibers?

Son, you need to sell some guns, standardize and make do with what you got.

I couldnt make ends meet on 3x that income.

Much less afford to feed a bunch of elephant rifles.

 

[antiquus]

I bought a Lee starter kit for $90. That gets you everything to reload single stage except dies, which it uses standard dies you can reuse later. Dies are less than $35.

And it isn't politics or demand for ammo driving up prices, it's the Chinese buying materials on the world market driving up copper and tin, as well as lead.

 

[Beagle-zebub]

I'm really curious how you can even question this. Our entire nation, and the majority of the 6th largest economy in the world, Kali's Silicon Valley industry, has been in the process of being outsourced to Mexico, India, China, etc.

Congress and the president have actually PROMOTED moving our key industries offshore, NAFTA etc.

Seems they are intent on selling out the American job market, in the name of free trade? Why?

The shredded brass gets sold to American companies, who then sell it to China--it ain't the government selling it to China.

All those Silicon Valley jobs, they aren't getting outsourced by Congress--they're getting outsourced by the companies that pay for the jobs. When does Congress ever tell Microsoft or Apple or Citrix or whoever, "send this job overseas!!!" Congress doesn't control that; the business doing the hiring and firing do.

The companies (not Congress, not Obama) sell out the American job-market ("outsourcing," they'd say) because it boosts their profit margins. It's not some government conspiracy with a sinister ulterior motive; it's a corporate strategy with an explicitly-stated goal of making mo' money, regardless of whether or not it's good for America.

And NAFTA? That was negotiated by George H.W. Bush, who got unseated before formal signing. It was passed in the House by 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats; in the Senate, it was 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. It's not just Democrats like Obama and Pelosi who sell out the American manufacturing base--it's BOTH parties. Don't think for a second that Gingrich or Romney are the least bit opposed to NAFTA; heck, Newt even voted for it!

 

[22-rimfire]

Scrap brass is a supply and demand kind of thing. Brass is high and has been high for a good while now at scrap yards.

It does not suprise me that military brass is being run through a pug mill for scrap. The part that bothers me is what Beagle-Zebub said which is the "unauthorized users". Why would American users be unauthorized in general?

We had a war going on in Iraq and another in Afghanistan. In 2005 or so the congress decided that all ammo used by the US Military should come from American companies. This was a good decision, and made to protect our production base for ammunition.

So for about 4 years Winchester and Remington and Federal were making ammo to fill military contracts FIRST and the police contracts SECOND and fulfilling demand from the public was a lower priority.

I believe that is correct in a general sense. Whether or not we like it, government decisions (usually internal) influences the pricing inside the US on products like loaded ammunition. The factories can only produce so much and production has to be prioritized. This happened during WWII as well. As I understand it, it was hard to buy loaded centerfire ammuntion during the WWII years.

 

[dev_null]

Beagle: Since when did facts ever get in the way of a conspiracy theory?

 

[beatledog7]

The prices of food, shelter, clothing, fuel, insurance, health care -- everything! -- are up.

I buy some ammo, but I buy mostly components to make my own, and one reason is because these things are very durable.

Food, even the freez-dried stuff, is far more perishable. So is fuel. Insurance is only good if the thing it is designed to provide is actually available when the need arises.

Ammo will always have value.

 

[beatledog7]

The companies (not Congress, not Obama) sell out the American job-market ("outsourcing," they'd say) because it boosts their profit margins. It's not some government conspiracy with a sinister ulterior motive; it's a corporate strategy with an explicitly-stated goal of making mo' money, regardless of whether or not it's good for America.

Companies do in fact outsource jobs do enhance their bottom lines. They lay people off, freeze or cut wages, use cheaper materials, etc. if those practices are expected to boost profits. That's their right and their duty to shareholders.

They can spend less to make the product overseas and bring it back than they can to make it in the US because of corporate tax rates, overblown US wage expectations, onerous regulations...the list goes on. Government, unions, and consumers in general all have played and continue to play a role.

Businesses are in business to make money for their owners. They are not in business to provide jobs or to make customers happy unless those things also help them make money.

Companies that forget that are doomed to go out of business because of competition from companies that remember it.

 

[oldbear]

I don't hoard ammo Per say, but for the first time in 40 + years I’m aware of how much ammo I have on hand. I also try and stock up if I see a decent deal. I also restock any ammo shot, ASAP.

I’m not too worried about being able to find ammo, but I like most of us have noticed a definite price increase.

 

[Super Sneaky Steve]

Yeah, I got a nice supply going, but I wouldn't say Obama is the biggest threat. He hasn't signed any anti-gun legislation. Newt and Romney have. I'd be more worried about them.

 

[Prosser]

Our government writes laws that make it more profitable for companies to take stuff off shore. It's called TAXES, regulation, fees, etc.

Soon we'll be in the Soviet boat:
We've outsourced everything in the name of profit, but, the people who are supposed to be able to buy our products are out of work, so they can't buy the product.

J.C. Penny and Sears both just filed for bankruptcy. Tell you something?

 

[Samari Jack]

I don't know how many of you were around 30-40 years ago but much of the current pricing is supply and demand. Massive hoarding by many creates a short supply, driving up costs. Remember the car anti-freeze shortage? It went from $5.00 a gallon to $20.00 a gallon in a months time. I still have some of the gallons of anti-freeze my dad bought, contributing to the price increase. Same thing happened to toilet paper once. Now THAT was scary. To a lesser extent, the gas shortage of the late '70s was exacerbated by hoarding. People were filling up 5 gallon jugs in the trunk of their cars.

This ammo pricing thing is to a certain extend the same scenario.

 

[M2 Carbine]

Thank you obama.

I got to looking around the place today and found about 1,500 45 ACP lead bullet reloads, over 2,000 FMJ 115 grain 9mm bullets, several thousand 38 SWC and 45 ACP lead bullets and about 1,500 cleaned .380 brass, I didn't know I had. Then there was the 400 rounds of .223 Wolf and 1,400 rounds of factory .380 I ran across last year.
Just a little of the stuff I bought when it looked like obama might somehow get elected.


Time to add to the hoard since it looks like obama will get elected again.

 

[barnbwt]

Maybe it's the heartless capitalist in me, but if I'd stocked up on ammo when it was 1/4 the price, I'd be selling it now and not throwing it down range! Heck, the smart play would have been to sell one's ammo about three years ago and buy a ton of stock when the market was tanked!

I convinced demand is high as a delayed result of the Great '08 Run on Guns that got a huge number of non-shooters into the game. My local range has never been busier. General currency devaluation and a far greater demand for lead and copper drove component prices up. Like it or not, there is always more money to be made turning lead and copper into electronic gadgets than into casings.

Whatever, I like my gas guzzler, and I like to shoot. I'll find a way.
TCB

 

[M2 Carbine]

Maybe it's the heartless capitalist in me, but if I'd stocked up on ammo when it was 1/4 the price, I'd be selling it now and not throwing it down range! Heck, the smart play would have been to sell one's ammo about three years ago and buy a ton of stock when the market was tanked!

I told my friends at the time, we could make a fortune on our stock of .380 ammo alone.
(Just in the last few days I loaded another thousand plus rounds of that $3.00 .380 ammo)

 

[whalerman]

Obama will get reelected. And yes, this is a good time to buy ammo. Next year prices will be exploding, again. Blame whatever forces you wish. But that's what will happen. I've got a government job so I don't really care anymore.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I think the big push would be in the second term when he has nothing to lose. Whether he tries anything or not, stocking up on ammo before next year would seem wise.

 

[Alex_100_man_slayer]

How much does a stationary press cost anyways at its cheapest

 

[f4t9r]

the prices of ammo have made me hoard because I know what the cost is to replace it

 

[marine 97-03]

I'm thinking of getting the RCBS starter kit. Anyone have experience with it ...bench mount single stage press included ....everything but dies and bullet material ...any thoughts ?

 

[dev_null]

If you think prices are high now...

A self-guiding bullet that can steer itself towards its target is being developed for use by the US military. The bullet uses tiny fins to correct the course of its flight allowing it to hit laser-illuminated targets. It is designed to be capable of hitting objects at distances of about 2km (1.24 miles). Work on a prototype suggests that accuracy is best at longer ranges.
. . .
"We can make corrections 30 times per second..."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16810107

 

[azgunner]

Lookout boys!!! And girls if you are on this site. If we as conservatives loose this election. Ammo will vanish off the shelves. Reloading componants will vanish also. And what is left, and what does make it back onto the shelves will be priced like an oz. of gold. Obama is waiting to strike at our gun rights. Be very aware and get your supply now.
Anyone who thinks the ammo run in late 08 thru 09 was because of anything less then the Democrats taking the WH, and having congrees in the bag is foolishy mistaken. It was for that reason alone that ammo and reloading supplies vanished. We have a anti american as a President, and a communist filled congress that follows his lead. So a vote for freedom is a vote for the RIGHT. Otherwise it is a vote for a COMMUNIST REGIME!

 

[357 Terms]

We have a anti american as a President, and a communist filled congress that follows his lead. So a vote for freedom is a vote for the RIGHT. Otherwise it is a vote for a COMMUNIST REGIME

What a joke!...I have no idea what to say bout that.