Holy crap i never carried 3 guns when i was in the Marines. Granted i had some other play toys but only an M16 or M14 and a 1911. I could have carried the 9mm but would not. i had a buddy send me a 1911 widebody from SA. I liked the M14 in the desert but when we hit town i grabbed an M16. now they have the M4. I just do not see the need for 3 guns to feel safe. More important than the right gun is kowing how to use it and being able to function under pressure.
Have you ever felt "undergunned" while carrying?
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I've felt undergunned carrying a J-frame.
More often, I've felt "undergunned", even when carrying two guns, because I'm not sure how quickly I can get to them. I'd much rather carry two or three smaller guns than one high-capacity auto. When someone is sitting right next to you, there isn't a lot of time or room for movement if they were to decide to harm you. Having options is a good thing.
More often, I've felt "undergunned", even when carrying two guns, because I'm not sure how quickly I can get to them. I'd much rather carry two or three smaller guns than one high-capacity auto. When someone is sitting right next to you, there isn't a lot of time or room for movement if they were to decide to harm you. Having options is a good thing.
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A NAA is like a Bic Lighter, A 642 is always with me forgotten in a pocket, which leaves the M10 or SBH. As opposed to to being a Soldier in a combat zone, a Soldier that is almost never alone, wears body armor, communication device, an M4 strapped to the front of his chest in ready mode and maybe a few frags for good luck, a civilian is all alone, and there is an old Beduin saying, "Always be prepared in the desert", and, "The desert hides all." Having faced the foe more than once, I can safely say that when it happens, it won't be a him against you, rather you against them. No matter wher I place my hand, it's close to a weapon, two of which I hardly feel due to thyeir diminutive size and weight. After switching out the oversized finger grip molded Pachmayer on my SBH back to it's original wooden grips, I feel it's more comfortable as a CCW. I wouldn't be afraid to take on a banger with an AK with my SBH, just have to connect once....
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Let me relate a story that hit my hometown on 15th of July this summer, though the incident occured on the 4th of July. The politics that followed up was that all these teens were "Repressed Troubled Youths" and didn't know better. Hmm, let's see - it's about $30+ to get into Valley Fair, and one called all the others on cell phones. Sounds repressed to me. There were other articles that called it a white on black hate crime: Let me share this link with you from the last story in a nearby small paper. The other think is that the fact that the family involved was also black. The Minneapolis/St. Paul papers NEVER reported on that. http://www.jordannews.com/news/next-door/valleyfair-assault-brings-flood-race-assumptions-8443
Father Badly Beaten By 8 At Valleyfair
SHAKOPEE, Minn. (WCCO) ― Six men and a teenager are facing felony assault charges after they seriously injured the father of a 12-year-old girl at Valleyfair Amusement Park, according to Shakopee Police.
The report states just after midnight the evening of July 4, police were dispatched to Valleyfair to assist an officer with the detention of the men and to help provide medical attention to the unconscious victim. When officers arrived, Valleyfair security and one officer already had the men detained in the main parking lot.
Witnesses told police that the fight began when one of the men slapped the girl on her buttocks. The father responded by yelling at him. The man then used his cell phone to call his seven friends over to "get these bitches," according to the mother of the girl.
In the fight that followed, the father received a broken right orbital (the facial bones around the eye), cuts to his face and arms, and possible subdural bleeding between his skull and brain, according to police.
The first officer at the scene was directed by Valleyfair Security to the group of eight men, and he ordered them to the ground. Seven of them did so, but one tried to run and was later apprehended.
Though the victim was unconscious, his wife was able to inform police about what happened and identify the suspects. She said that the eight men took turns stomping on her husband's face as he was on the ground.
All of the suspects were arrested and taken to Scott County Jail.
The six men who have been charged were identified by the Scott County District Court as 22-year-old Terry Laron Arnold, 19-year-old Andrew Demarkis Shannon, 18-year-old Devondre Evans-Lewis, 19-year-old Derry Darnell Evans, 20-year-old Darris Devon Evans, 20-year-old Anthony Cornandance Gildersleeve. A seventh teen was also charged, but his name was not released because he is a minor.
Let me relate a story that hit my hometown on 15th of July this summer, though the incident occured on the 4th of July. The politics that followed up was that all these teens were "Repressed Troubled Youths" and didn't know better. Hmm, let's see - it's about $30+ to get into Valley Fair, and one called all the others on cell phones. Sounds repressed to me. There were other articles that called it a white on black hate crime: Let me share this link with you from the last story in a nearby small paper. The other think is that the fact that the family involved was also black. The Minneapolis/St. Paul papers NEVER reported on that. http://www.jordannews.com/news/next-door/valleyfair-assault-brings-flood-race-assumptions-8443
Father Badly Beaten By 8 At Valleyfair
SHAKOPEE, Minn. (WCCO) ― Six men and a teenager are facing felony assault charges after they seriously injured the father of a 12-year-old girl at Valleyfair Amusement Park, according to Shakopee Police.
The report states just after midnight the evening of July 4, police were dispatched to Valleyfair to assist an officer with the detention of the men and to help provide medical attention to the unconscious victim. When officers arrived, Valleyfair security and one officer already had the men detained in the main parking lot.
Witnesses told police that the fight began when one of the men slapped the girl on her buttocks. The father responded by yelling at him. The man then used his cell phone to call his seven friends over to "get these bitches," according to the mother of the girl.
In the fight that followed, the father received a broken right orbital (the facial bones around the eye), cuts to his face and arms, and possible subdural bleeding between his skull and brain, according to police.
The first officer at the scene was directed by Valleyfair Security to the group of eight men, and he ordered them to the ground. Seven of them did so, but one tried to run and was later apprehended.
Though the victim was unconscious, his wife was able to inform police about what happened and identify the suspects. She said that the eight men took turns stomping on her husband's face as he was on the ground.
All of the suspects were arrested and taken to Scott County Jail.
The six men who have been charged were identified by the Scott County District Court as 22-year-old Terry Laron Arnold, 19-year-old Andrew Demarkis Shannon, 18-year-old Devondre Evans-Lewis, 19-year-old Derry Darnell Evans, 20-year-old Darris Devon Evans, 20-year-old Anthony Cornandance Gildersleeve. A seventh teen was also charged, but his name was not released because he is a minor.
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I certainly wish I had another loaded magazine (or two) with me as opposed to my lone 9mm loaded up full, but no, I haven't felt 'undergunned' with the 9x19 +P rounds at all. The "six guys" scenario is a good illustration as to why we should really make an effort to convince our loved ones to 'help out' in the area of personal defense. If my wife would only get her dang CCP, that would really add some piece of mind... and hardware.
Legacy it WAS in the papers. I also read it on thier webistes. It totaly sucked. I would not have stood by and watched that go down. I also would not have pulled my pistol. I would have waded in swinging if i had to. At 6'4 300lbs i know i could lay a few down no problem. Being a Marine and having taken just about every course they offer a rifleman would have helped me out as well as it was good training. Punks those guys are. Tough as nails when its 10 on on but even the odds a bit and they run like the little cockroackes they are
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I don't care what you're carrying, the only true determination of firepower is between your ears.
It's your ability to get out of the situation alive with what you have available. Never forget that.
It's your ability to get out of the situation alive with what you have available. Never forget that.
KGPCR, it was reported in small town papers, but I am pretty sure the Star Trib never printed that.
Anyway, thanks for the reminder Coromo. My brother and I had a discussion surrounding the issue of, "where the hell were the other Men??" Who saw this and did nothing? Who hid, or just stared and watched while a guy is being beaten to death...?
And the second thing we spoke about was of course, how do we make it out of that fight alive? Looking at the pics of those 14-21 year old "boys," well, some looked pretty big to me! He and I train in martial combat disciplines as well, and I'm still in the Army (he got out a few years back) so we both have trained in "combatives." The trouble with that stuff is it teaches one-on-one hand-to-hand combat. How do you fight 6 guys? I don't know what the Marines teach, but I doubt they're teaching you how to fight six guys at once.
At what point do you pull your weapon or otherwise convince them that your life is worth more than theirs?
Anyway, thanks for the reminder Coromo. My brother and I had a discussion surrounding the issue of, "where the hell were the other Men??" Who saw this and did nothing? Who hid, or just stared and watched while a guy is being beaten to death...?
And the second thing we spoke about was of course, how do we make it out of that fight alive? Looking at the pics of those 14-21 year old "boys," well, some looked pretty big to me! He and I train in martial combat disciplines as well, and I'm still in the Army (he got out a few years back) so we both have trained in "combatives." The trouble with that stuff is it teaches one-on-one hand-to-hand combat. How do you fight 6 guys? I don't know what the Marines teach, but I doubt they're teaching you how to fight six guys at once.
At what point do you pull your weapon or otherwise convince them that your life is worth more than theirs?
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you make good points about 6 on 1. However I just cant stand by and watch a guy at a place like that with his kids there get pummeled. If i pull my gun its going to be a bad scene. If i pull it it is coming out to be used and if they dont do what i tell them i will shoot and i damn sure dont want to do that. If i dont shoot i will most likely get my gun taken away and used on me. Thats the worst thing that can happen. I think if you entered the fight it would be 6 on two and if you take one out right off the bat its now 5 on two and they are punks. Still not good odds but you have one down at least LOL. Little cockroaches they are! Some of them would be one punch and lights out. Oh well many a Marine has got his butt kicked but we always seem to get the job done LOL.
you make good points about 6 on 1. However I just cant stand by and watch a guy at a place like that with his kids there get pummeled. If i pull my gun its going to be a bad scene. If i pull it it is coming out to be used and if they dont do what i tell them i will shoot and i damn sure dont want to do that. If i dont shoot i will most likely get my gun taken away and used on me. Thats the worst thing that can happen. I think if you entered the fight it would be 6 on two and if you take one out right off the bat its now 5 on two and they are punks. Still not good odds but you have one down at least LOL. Little cockroaches they are! Some of them would be one punch and lights out. Oh well many a Marine has got his butt kicked but we always seem to get the job done LOL.
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