Have you ever met a...............................

[Plinkerton]

I think I feel a lot like Axeman. I have always loved guns, knives, bombs, and any other destructive thing, but am definitely not a conservative, or a republican. (I don't really like Kerry though... )

 

[Kalos]

I met this one girl who was a HUGE Nader supporter, and she was fiercely liberal on most social issues except when it came to gun control. She said that individuals need to be able to bear arms in case they ever needed to over throw the goverment!

That -is- one of the big reasons, if not -the- big reason the founders put the 2nd in there, or it would seem to be so far as one can infer from their other writings. It's a shame no one thought to take down a complete transcript of the debate that must've went on when the bill of rights was proposed.

 

[Frohickey]

My dad is a self-described “bleeding-heart liberal†and a gun owner. He wants personal freedom but thinks the government needs to help the poor and downtrodden.

Wouldn't it be better if the poor and downtrodden are helped by people like your dad instead? Everytime government takes a dollar, it can't possibly use that dollar to help anyone, maybe 75 cents goes to the poor.

 

[entropy]

That Humphrey was pro2A, and indeed for the reason that it is the last option 'reset' button concerning government, is not offset by his central invovlment in the Johnson 'Great Society', that is Big Daddy Welfare. It's no coincedence that Minneapolis is known as 'Moneyapolis' to generations of welfare recipients. Of course, if virtually everybody's on the dole, or working for the Gov't. , who is there to rise up and why would they? It would take them away from their bread and circuses.
That being said, I would describe my own politics as Ralph Nader meets Barry Goldwater. My boss at work is quite liberal, but owns lots of guns. Not too concerned about 2A, thinks the antis will never succeed. I've tried with Oleg's "First they came for the EBR's... " poster, but to no avail. (And he even owns several EBR's! )

 

[RevDisk]

I consider myself a cross between a liberal and libertarian on most issues. Not all. I like to generally consider myself pro-Constitution and pro-freedom. I'm definitely pro-RKBA. I'm a big supporter of civil liberties. RKBA is simply one of many. It is the insurance policy if SHTF.

Another reason why I support RKBA is purely selfish, I want to be safe and the only person responsible for providing said safety is myself.

I'm not a Bush fan because he has done his best to gut civil liberties and he's pulled a lot of shady stuff. I'm not a Kerry fan because... Damn, the [blank]'ing list would take up about ten pages of why I dislike Kerry.

I guess you can call me a gun loving liberal.

 

[goalkeeper91]

I know a couple of shooters who are staunch Democrats, and fairly liberal at that. The thing is that both are realistic about firearms, self-defense, and general gun issues. Of course, I often get the same thing in reverse. People who know me assume that I am extremely conservative because fo my pro-gun beliefs, and it never fails to blow there minds when I express an opinion that is not the "official right wing concservative white male Christian opinion." Just because you believe in gun rights does not mean that you're on the far right on every issue.

 

[ShaiVong]

I had a raving lunitic liberal 'Human Relations' professor who in the course of the class divulged that she LOVES Glocks after she found out I had one for CC. She was so excited she wanted to know if I had it with me so she could hold it. Naturally I was on a college campus and so I couldnt have it with me.. She looked rather dissapointed.

She said that somebody was stalking her a few years back, and she was scared out of her mind even while behind locked doors at home. I think thats when she decided to get something for home defense. I suggested a vanilla pump 12ga.

You find them in the oddest places.

 

[Gordon Fink]

Wouldn’t it be better if the poor and downtrodden are helped by people like your dad instead?

Indeed! As a business owner, my father employs about a dozen “disadvantaged minorities.†These guys work a skilled trade for good pay and benefits. If that same money went to welfare, what didn’t get “wasted†by government bureaucracy would probably serve only to keep a fraction of that many people perpetually on the dole.

My father, acting as a “greedy†capitalist, helps more people than government welfare ever could in the same situation. Capitalism has its weaknesses, but I don’t know why he can’t see its obvious superiority to socialism. At least, though, I have him to thank for helping convince me that the Democrats are the “party of the poorâ€â€”as in keeping them that way!

~G. Fink

 

[Frohickey]

I think a good book to give to your father is Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman.

Talks about the two topics as well as showing how socialism doesn't contribute to freedom. In the 1st or 2nd chapter, it talks about how capitalism allows the advocacy of socialism, and how socialism cannot allow the advocacy of capitalism.

 

[Gordon Fink]

Actually, I was thinking of trying to soften him up with John Stossel’s Give Me a Break. That book seems more approachable for most people—and describes how Stossel went from being a self-styled “liberal†to embracing a more libertarian philosophy.

Then maybe I can work on the heavier libertarian stuff.

~G. Fink