Have you guys seen the lion hunt/attack on Youtube?

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Please excuse my terminology if it is not correct for bringing up questions about totally unfamiliar situations.

As for the lion which attacked one of the several hunters and knocked him over, before it rolled onto its back then ran away, how would you hunters describe the tactical scenario and their skill levels?

Should one of those guys need a rifle with iron sights instead of a scope, or should all hunters of dangerous animals have scopes when near lions, leopards, grizzlies etc?
 
Its my opinion, and I will surely catch some heat for it..
But I don't think there is much room for big-cat hunting.
 
It's not what I would consider a tactical scenario, it's called dangerous game hunting. No I haven't seen the clip, but seen others.

As for why there is no room for big cat hunting, please expound upon your wisdom GWARGHOUL
 
H&HHunter had an interesting thread on a somewhat similar situation a while back:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=597456

I believe the point was about each member of the party being responsible for their own safety and that of the others, as you never know what the next guy will do or will be able to do, or what effect shots may have.
 
Uh, gwarghoul, then why on earth would you say it? It doesn't seem to help answer the OP's question at all.
 
All I know is that if that big cat would have ran after me I would have soiled myself. I'm highly allergic to cats. :D

Rifles with iron sights seems to make most sense. At least have a good shooter with on handy.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQsTGIvmp90&playnext=1&list=PLB4D303BD723340CE

From the accent sounds like its South Africa. Lots of guided hunts there (no doubt a lot of paperwork releasing the guide from any liability).

Lots of rounds fired. It's hard to tell, but it appears that the lion circles around for the attack after the first shot.

I guess it depends on the level of risk one is willing to take.
 
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The way I see it the guy who finished the lion was way too far out front of firing line and is lucky he didn't get shot himself . Bet he had some cleaning up to do after that episode .. I know I would !:what:
 
not necessarily. they make very low power scopes for just such situations (hunting at very close quarters. some of us who have aged need optics to get a good aim at things. shooting thru open sights are pretty fuzzy. that being said, the whole thing is just a bad situation. if you decide you want to try to save your freinds life by shooting at an attacking lion, there is the high probablity that you could miss the cat, and hit your freind. and being shot with something like a 375 H&H or 416 mag is not usually something a human can walk away from. they were designed to be very devestating roundsfor a reason! add to that the fact that real emergency medical attention is going to be hours away at best, and it isn't a good situation.
 
GWARGHOUL said:
Don't want to, nor should I need too.
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You probably know what they say about opinions, especially ones that aren't backed up by solid arguments.

In any case, I have two "cat guns", a Weatherby Mark V in .375H&H with interchangable scope / red dot, and a 1916 vintage Winchester 1895 with iron sights, about to be rechambered in 9.3x62. Both of these calibers are quite common in Africa, which is a big plus when the airline has lost your luggage and your ammo supply depends on local offerings. I've experienced that first hand a couple of years ago.

Bolt action with scope is great for longer distances, especially at dawn or dusk when you need absolute precision with shot placement. On the other hand, in a situation when a cat attacks and multiple shots may be needed, lever action is my #1 choice. Most game I've taken in Africa has been with a low-power scoped Marlin XLR in .45-70, one of the most versatile rifles around.

A double rifle is always a classic, but it takes a lot of practise to be proficient with emergency reloads.

As far as tactics are concerned, all dangerous game hunts are always a gamble. No matter how well you're prepared, you can get killed. I definitely wouldn't go after any of the big five without a PH I can trust and, still, when the proverbial excrement hits the fan, you're ultimately on your own.
 
I don't know, but I believe if I were hunting lions, I think I'd want a feller with one of those AA12 full-auto shotguns full of 000 buckshot rounds backing me up!
 
Some of the "caged" hunt videos look like the folks would have been better off leaving them in the cage to shoot them, then drag them out for the photos.

Or like this guys method of safe lion hunting.

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But I don't think there is much room for big-cat hunting.
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You are right there isn't much room for wild African lion hunting which is why it costs as much as does. The good news is you saved yourself about 80K which is what a free range wild lion hunt in decent country is going for now days.

You can get a much cheaper high fenced lion "hunt" in South Africa if you just have to have a lion. Those are pretty much unlimited as the population numbers are in no representative of the wild lion population.

But please lets define "big-cat". Are we talking Lion, leopard, Mt lion what isn't there much room for?

What species in your highly knowledgeable mind is there lots of room for hunting?

same with our wild K-9
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303,

Are you talking about coyotes, fox, wolves, African wild dogs, dingos, New Guinea singing dogs? What kind of wild K-9 are you referring to?
 
303tom said:
BUT not just because you can
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Is there a specific and objective reason why not? I've heard a lot of emotional explanations over the years, but not a single one that could explain why "there's no room for" a sustainable and/hence legal activity.

Similar pseudo-conservational fallacies have caused overpopulation to become the greatest threat wild elephants face these days. If there are species you don't want to hunt, then don't, that's always a personal choice, but voicing an opinion against what other people do should at least have some logic behind it to be credible.
 
If you kill it eat it. This rule is big in my house and pertains to all things hunted and killed except for rattlesnakes and vermin. Anybody can pay money and "hunt" a caged animal, and deserve to have the prey strike back as in this video. It doesnt make you a hunter. A hunter has the morals and ethics to not kill simply for sport.
 
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If you kill it eat it. This rule is big in my house and pertains to all things hunted and killed except for rattlesnakes and vermin.
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Personally I limit eating the game to what's actually edible. I won't risk infecting myself with trichinosis with untested meat or force myself to eat wolf or raccoon I've shot for their skin. Same goes for cats; eaten when edible. That doesn't mean that anything goes to waste - what's not used personally will be sold, given away etc. whenever possible. There's very little in any kind of carcass that can't be used in something and when we're talking about a rare kill like a big cat, the motivation to make use of all parts of it is extremely strong.

I can't see the point of bringing the perceived waste and, even less, caged hunts into this conversation as arguments. This has absolutely nothing to do with either; hunting cats doesn't in any way exclude normal hunting ethics. If you just don't like the idea that some people hunt big cats, please say so, but don't try to brand people with straw man arguments. Thank you.
 
Sounds like you are the one trying to do the branding hq. I never mentioned the word waste. You assume a lot. Some big cats,IMO need to be taken, as man killers or livestock threats.
 
Big cats, lion in particular are one of the most tightly regulated and carefully managed species in the whole wide world of hunting. Quota is sharply out stripped by demand for quality fair chase lion hunting which is why the price has sky rocketed in the last decade. Fair chase lion hunting is some of the most carefully planed and ethical hunting there is. I am simply not getting how a deer hunter in the US is somehow morally superior to a lion hunter in Africa. The simple fact of the matter is where ever sport hunting of lions is stopped thw number of lions killed by men goes UP drastically. If a lion ghasd no monetary value as trophy to a community it becomes nothing more than a pesky varmint to that community and is far more likley to be killed as PAC victim than if it was on a trophy fee and was providing hard cold cash and jobs for that community. That is the simple brutal reality of African wild life
 
Did no one else notice the FENCE in the back ground? I've seen this video before and it makes me sick everytime I watch it. I'm an avid hunter and have been all my life, but that video is of some fat-cat rich <deleted> who thinks he's a hunter when he shoots an animal that's as much as caged.

35W
 
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