Have You Seen The "Super Shorty"?

[*Kemosabe*]

Have you seen the "Super Shorty"? I can think of several useful legal applications and because it is an AOW the transfer fee is only $5 !

Does anyone have any experience with it or the manufacturer?

What uses would you have for it?

Serbu Firearms (Tampa, FL) Super Shorty
Choice of Rem. 870, Maverick or Mossberg 500 actions - 16.5” OAL, 6.5" barrel w/o breacher muzzle. --- $775

 

[jaguarxk120]

What do you do after three shots are gone?

I have 16 rounds in my 9mm

 

[oneounceload]

It is brutal if you are firing heavy loads. IMO, it would be easier on the wrist with a bird's head grip. It is intimidating, but as mentioned above. if you need mote than three shots quickly, there are better choices. Been around a long time, is well made, uses your choice of receivers, neat toy

 

[Sam1911]

The sillier-looking one is actually the more useful. The best purpose for super-short PGO shotguns is for door breaching, using sintered breeching slugs, and that standoff device lets the user rest the muzzle right where it needs to be to destroy a lock or hinges.

 

[PistolPete45]

why would someone shoot three times and say I am out ??? Not that I like that gun but still

 

[*Kemosabe*]

@ jaguarxk120 - “What do you do after three shots are gone? I have 16 rounds in my 9mm”

As a LEO in the uniform patrol division I was attempting the apprehension of an armed felon who had shot at several people in a tire shop. I observed him race up to a house then bail out of his car and enter the house leaving the door open. Just as I exited the police cruiser a Doberman bolted out of the house presenting a small frontal area that was moving fast an furiously toward me. I got off 4 shots hitting him once. The chest wound killed him as I was rolling on top of the hood of my police cruiser. You can keep your high cap pistol… in that situation I would trade any hi-cap pistol for a Super Shorty with ONLY 3 shots.

I captured the perp, but I did get to hear from some “goody-two-shoes” folks that said I should have only wounded the dog because he was on his home’s property and it hadn’t done any harm. Pullleeeeeese!

Just so I got your point… you see no value or use for the Shorty at all? Hmm…

@ oneounceload - “… neat toy.”

The “toy” value has great appeal and a is lot of fun as well. I haven’t treated myself to a new toy in ten years… ‘bout time I’d say and it will leave some appreciating heir with a smile on his face!

@ Sam1911 - Agree. I wish we even had a full sized riot gun in our inventory that was set up for breaching doors when I was in uniform division.

@ Pistol Pete - Totally agree!

 

[coach z]

Don't knock it till you've tried it

The Serbu shorty is a fantastic little shotgun. It is well built and Serbu has a great reputation for customer service.

As for recoil and manageability I swapped out the stock pistol grip for the blackhawk recoil reducing pistol grip, it has a spring system that SIGNIFICANTLY reduces felt recoil.

As for three shots, mesa tactical side saddle and its a mini shotgun so you should be using mini shotgun shells! Anguilla makes mini shells that run great in mine.

I think tomorrow I'm going to call up Serbu and see if they'll make me a barrel threaded for a choke so I can put my Silencerco salvo suppressor on it. Now that will be a heck of a combo.

 

[armoredman]

How effective are the minishells?

 

[walking arsenal]

I have 16 rounds in my 9mm

Yeah, but can you fire all those rounds at once!

 

[Cokeman]

 

[Ironman]

I have extensive history with one. I'm good friends with Mark Serbu and I love my SSS. It's a great nightstand gun

If you take a look at my YouTube channel in my signature below, you will see I have quite a few videos with my SSS and Mark coming out to shoot events and he brings some really impressive toys.






My SSS and 14" SBS after they were Cerakoted in Burnt Bronze/Blackmix (80/20)

It was actually a good investment. I paid $650 for it back in 2009 and now dealer price on it is over $1100.

 

[jaguarxk120]

Kemosabe, if it will work for you then I'm all for it.

As a LEO you need the tools to resolve a confrontation quickly and efficiently.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Ironman, you got some wonky looking shells there!

I have tried the short barrel shotguns, though not the specific Serbu Super Shorty. I really was not all that impressed with the ergonomics, recoil issues, aiming, etc. It isn't what I would want for a crisis.

How effective are the minishells?

IIRC the reviews correctly, out of full-sized standard HD shotguns, the velocity of the ammo was comparable, but you had less shot mass, but 11 shot of two of the smaller sizes of buck. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/25...on-12-gauge-1-3-4-4-and-1-buckshot-11-pellets

Note, it doesn't work in all guns equally well and guns may require modification for use.

 

[Ryanxia]

The transfer fee may only be $5 but to initially make it, it's still $200. The 'maker' is going to pass that $200 fee along to the next buyer so you're still paying the added cost.

 

[dogtown tom]

*Kemosabe* ..... Just as I exited the police cruiser a Doberman bolted out of the house presenting a small frontal area that was moving fast an furiously toward me. I got off 4 shots hitting him once. The chest wound killed him as I was rolling on top of the hood of my police cruiser. You can keep your high cap pistol… in that situation I would trade any hi-cap pistol for a Super Shorty with ONLY 3 shots.

What makes you think you would have been any more accurate with the Serbu?

Ryanxia The transfer fee may only be $5 but to initially make it, it's still $200. The 'maker' is going to pass that $200 fee along to the next buyer so you're still paying the added cost.

Nope.
07FFL/SOT's don't pay a $200 tax for each firearm they manufacture........they pay a flat fee SOT each year.

The only time a "maker" pays the $200 tax is when they make the firearm via a Form 1.


IMHO, a Serbu Super Shorty is useful for one thing......door breaching. Any other use a short barreled shotgun with shoulder stock is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar better.

Remember, you can always put a pistol grip on a SBS, but you can't put a shoulder stock on an AOW (without paying $200).

 

[pjeski]

If the maker is a SOT, and they most likely are, they don't have to pay the $200 tax, their SOT covers it.

 

[ATCDoktor]

I have used my Safety Harbor Firearms KEG 12 to take small game at moderate to short range.




The idea that this things are useless for anything other than a range toy is somewhat misguided.

 

[jmorris]

A dealer friend of mine had one I played with awhile and measured thinking I would build one.

A form 1 AOW cost $200 anyway so I didn't do it.

 

[*Kemosabe*]

dog town tom - “What makes you think you would have been any more accurate with the Serbu?”

At that time I was an intense international skeet competitor and I felt extremely comfortable when shooting a shotgun… almost instinctual. About 2 years after that incident I took a gold in a state championship.

Also, for close work I prefer a 3” loading in #4 buck (41 pellets in 24 caliber) which would give me 143 pellets to let loose. Even though the pattern would be relatively small, approximately 4” at the distance it took place, 4” is a whole lot better than .357” -- more than 11 times better.

 

[Ryanxia]

I misunderstood the OP's question. I thought he was talking about making one himself not buying one.

 

[jmorris]

Remember, you can always put a pistol grip on a SBS,.

What do you put down for the length on the form 4 or 1 when you plan to do this?

 

[dogtown tom]

jmorris

Quote:
Remember, you can always put a pistol grip on a SBS,.

What do you put down for the length on the form 4 or 1 when you plan to do this?

On a Form 4 (transfer) you just write in the actual measurements. (Often copied from the previous Form 4 or Form 3)
When making an NFA firearm via a Form 1, you put down the bbl length and OAL as it will be made.

After you receive your tax stamp and build your SBS, SBR or AOW you are free to change bbl length, OAL or caliber. ATF asks that you notify them of any permanent changes. As a pistol grip is easily changed for a shoulder stock, no notification is required.

If you have a SBR or SBS you are required to complete a Form 5320.20 if you plan to take it out of state.........but only if the firearm is in NFA configuration.
For example: I have a Remington 870 SBS with 14" bbl. To travel from Texas to Oklahoma with it as is......I need an approved 5320.20

But if I replace that 14"bbl with an 18" bbl...........no 5320.20 needed as the OAL and bbl length are not NFA.

 

[armoredman]

dogtown...

Q: If I remove the short barrel from my SBR or SBS, may I move the firearm across state lines without the submission of ATF Form 5320.20, Application to Transport or to Temporarily Export Certain Firearms?

If the registrant retains control over the parts required to assemble the SBR or SBS, the firearm is still be subject to all requirements of the NFA. ATF recommends contacting law enforcement officials in the destination state to ensure compliance with state and local law.

That's from ATFE website...I am JUST dipping my toe in this NFA pool, so I've been reading over there off and on...correct me if i'm wrong on that one, because I certainly could be. Looking at doing an SBR for 2015, maybe, so I'm trying to get to know the laws I'll be playing under.

 

[Sam1911]

Well, armoredman, if you carry the 14" barrel (or whatever) with you, yes there is an outside chance you could be charged with failing to file the 5320.20, but if you left it home, you'd hardly be in control over the parts while you're traveling.

Perhaps the law might be interpreted that way, in absolute values, but how would such a thing even be charged/enforced? You'd have to be discovered to have the gun, it would have to be somehow guessed that this was a registered NFA weapon (though not in NFA configuration presently), and a warrant obtained (on basis of what?) and a search would have to be made of your home, back wherever, to determine that you do still maintain ownership of the parts to reconstitute the NFA configuration. In other words -- that's pretty far-fetched.

 

[o Unforgiven o]

Just as I exited the police cruiser a Doberman bolted out of the house presenting a small frontal area that was moving fast an furiously toward me. I got off 4 shots hitting him once. The chest wound killed him as I was rolling on top of the hood of my police cruiser.

I captured the perp, but I did get to hear from some “goody-two-shoes” folks that said I should have only wounded the dog because he was on his home’s property and it hadn’t done any harm. Pullleeeeeese!

This is infuriating on so many levels. I hope you are a former LEO.