Hazmat fees

I'm pretty sure that was answered on the first page...have you read all the responses?
Well yes, I did read the posts. IMO the license they need is a cost of doing business and in reality they do nothing special when shipping. When I pay for a license or a certification in my field I don't make the customers pay the cost, it's a cost of doing business in my field.
 
IMO the license they need is a cost of doing business
It is part of the cost of doing business and like most businesses that cost is passed onto the consumer.

It is like paying for an airline ticket. They don't itemize out maintaining a flight crew or maintenance of the plane, but that cost is passed onto the customer.

The reverse would be an unlicensed/ uninsured contractor who is able to charge less because he has lower "cost of doing business." I'm not sure what they are not "doing special" either
 
It is part of the cost of doing business and like most businesses that cost is passed onto the consumer.

It is like paying for an airline ticket. They don't itemize out maintaining a flight crew or maintenance of the plane, but that cost is passed onto the customer.

The reverse would be an unlicensed/ uninsured contractor who is able to charge less because he has lower "cost of doing business." I'm not sure what they are not "doing special" either
Again, IMO not a good analogy.

I'm talking about paying for a NYS Inspectors license or ASE auto mechanic certification. I don't pass those costs on to the bill of the cars and trucks I repair.
 
So, when an auto repair shop or parts store sells you a new battery, they should eat the hazardous waste disposal fee because that’s the cost of doing business?
 
Again, IMO not a good analogy.

I'm talking about paying for a NYS Inspectors license or ASE auto mechanic certification. I don't pass those costs on to the bill of the cars and trucks I repair.
You’re not paying that fee each time you service a vehicle either. But if you did, the fee would be spread over the term of license (let’s say one year) divided by the number of customers serviced during that year. Your cost per customer is therefore negligible compared to a per transaction hazmat fee or tire or battery disposal fee, no?

But breaking out various fees has become an art over the past couple of decades. It’s a great way to underscore the business is the good guy and govt is the bad guy. Phone bills, utilities bills, cable bills, and large automobile service organizations are Picassos of the blame shifting art.
 
You forgot to count the cost of your time, like some reloaders do when it comes to the cost of reloading ammo, like they miss work to reload. ;)

My time......

Reloading is pure joy for me. Perhaps I should explain, it will do no good to anyone but I am bored.

Back when I had the kiddo at home is was "dads time", when I was to be left alone. The wife told the kid if I was distracted I could blow myself up, guess that is true to a point. I would be in the basement with the dog....likely for the same reason, but I can't speak for the dog. I would listen to some nice Jazz, and just decompress. The time spent doing this activity took the weight of the day away. See a motorcycle accident where the rider died, his body is here, but the head and helmet over there, reloading would slowly move that image out of my brain, or telling someone little johnny was reported at doing 140 down the highway and would not be coming home for dinner.....ever.

I can not think of any other activity I would have rather done then reloading. Even after my surgery and I could not shoot for roughly 3 years, I still reloaded.......why do you think that is. Wink
 
You forgot to count the cost of your time, like some reloaders do when it comes to the cost of reloading ammo, like they miss work to reload. ;)
I have over 400 hours of accumulated leave time, not counting sick leave. I could get paid to stay home and reload if I was a mind to. But that won’t stop the negative Nelly’s from finding a way to make reloading sound expensive and buying garbage blasting ammo seem like a bargain.
 
I have over 400 hours of accumulated leave time, not counting sick leave. I could get paid to stay home and reload if I was a mind to. But that won’t stop the negative Nelly’s from finding a way to make reloading sound expensive and buying garbage blasting ammo seem like a bargain.
For me I’m surprised how enjoyable the entire experience is. Even the unnecessary stuff others here disparage like hand polishing brass (I confess that is odd).

I especially like the custom tuned ammo and consistent availability since a gray beard fortunately advised me to buy plenty of components early on.

And at this point I don’t care how much it costs relative to buying factory ammo. I’m a reloader dang it and no one’s going to stop me.

I could not have done this before I retired however nor before the kids flew the nest. My personality is such I couldn’t shoe horn this hobby into other life things.

As for costs—if I were to calculate costs (which I don’t plan to) vis a vis buying, I would have to include time (labor) and CAPEX and such to be fair and accurate. Just my thing.

A while back I asked a neighbor friend how much he paid to play a round of golf. He gave me just the greens fee cost—$50. Didn’t include required cart rental nor seasonal membership in the private club. That one round of golf was more like $1000. And that’s a lot of ammo.
 
Don't you establish what you do charge based on your cost (rent, tools, utilities) and an added profit margin?
My original question wasn't even centered on why but what they actually do for that additional cost. Even if I did charge extra for acquiring an inspectors license at least I actually do an inspection on the vehicle to justify the additional cost. The question was mostly What Do The Do Special which I still haven't gotten an answer.

It seems we are at an impasse so I will just have to agree to disagree. IMO it's not important enough to waste your time or mine going further.
 
If a private party wished to ship ammunition (or primers) to another private party, would the shipper have to pay a hazmat fee to the carrier?
 
It's not as simple as that. Go to UPS website and search for hazardous materials. Among other things, you have to have a contract with them and be qualified to pack hazardous materials for shipment. Nowhere did I see mention of a hazmat fee. I think sellers charge hazmat fee to cover their cost of training packagers to meet DOT requirements, documentation, etc, and in some cases a little extra for their pocketbook.
 
It's not as simple as that. Go to UPS website and search for hazardous materials. Among other things, you have to have a contract with them and be qualified to pack hazardous materials for shipment. Nowhere did I see mention of a hazmat fee. I think sellers charge hazmat fee to cover their cost of training packagers to meet DOT requirements, documentation, etc, and in some cases a little extra for their pocketbook.
I should’ve kept my answer to “check with carrier”
 
If a private party wished to ship ammunition (or primers) to another private party, would the shipper have to pay a hazmat fee to the carrier?
There is no provision for this at all. Hazmat certification is not feasible for an individual. When I was last Hazmat certified they told us it was costing the company thousands of dollars per person to accomplish. I have since looked it up and there doesn't seem to be a cheap option to be certified.

Keep in mind there is another category called Hazmat Aware. This is not the same as the certification, but it the training for it is provided to those who come into contact with Hazmat in the course of their job and need to know what to look for on the packaging, who to contact if needed, how to address issues that might arise from a spill or accident and other things.

Basically the Hazmat fee covers the certification and equipment involved in the process - trained personnel, special transport methods and containers, etc.
 
The increasingly “woke” UPS and FedEx could easily decide to stop shipping powder and primers altogether. Then what?
If you think that can’t happen, look at what UPS did to Brownell’s and countless other firearm merchants.
IMO, it’s just a matter of time before all firearms and related products are prohibited from shipping.
 
The increasingly “woke” UPS and FedEx could easily decide to stop shipping powder and primers altogether. Then what?
If you think that can’t happen, look at what UPS did to Brownell’s and countless other firearm merchants.
IMO, it’s just a matter of time before all firearms and related products are prohibited from shipping.
I agree and the good news would be no more Hazmat fees!
 
The other good news is that someone would surely see a business opportunity and step in to fill the void and possibly do it better.
 
Such an optimist:) I think the barriers to entry (such as no trucks or planes) would be too great to overcome for most unless Bezos was interested.
Bezos got his start selling used books. Never forget that behind every billionaire is a life of hard work and one or two good ideas they refused to give up on. The firearms and related industries are not different. Sam Colt went bankrupt at least three times during his life. Can’t speak for anyone else but I’m sure if the big carriers all refused to transport gun stuff a new entrepreneur would step in to fill the void. Not sure about powder. That’s as much magic as chemistry.
 
Bezos got his start selling used books. Never forget that behind every billionaire is a life of hard work and one or two good ideas they refused to give up on. The firearms and related industries are not different. Sam Colt went bankrupt at least three times during his life. Can’t speak for anyone else but I’m sure if the big carriers all refused to transport gun stuff a new entrepreneur would step in to fill the void. Not sure about powder. That’s as much magic as chemistry.
I don’t remember much economics but barriers to entry is one I do and I think it applies here. And while I agree someone would like to get into that business, only Elon-type money could buy the planes and other delivery vehicles necessary to do the job.

Bezos paid others to transport & deliver until he could buy his own. If UPS & FedEx stopped transporting firearms related stuff for themselves, I’d be surprised if they then would do it for others.

Let’s hope we don’t find out.
 
Bezos had the aid of stolen software and the CIA. I don't think a deliverer of primers would command such advantages.
 
Our locals are Cabela's and Sportsman's Warehouse. No discount over internet prices but I don't have to pay shipping or hazmat for powder I buy there. But it's a crap shoot, as to whether or not they'll have what I want.

A couple of weeks ago I looked at the Cabela's web site and it said my local had Win 231. I drove the 18 miles to the store, only to be told that they didn't have it.
There is a Bass Pro near my work. If there is a powder I want to try that the LGS doesn't have. I seach BPs website, if they show it in stock online. I order it and have it shipped to the local BPS. Free shipping, and it's reserved for you. I would think Cabela's would do the same since they're basically the same.
 
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