Head to Head: Practical Big Game Hunting Rifles

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The .280AI isn't really a fair comparison, as any round will do a bit better with an "improved" round. Additionally there can be feeding problems with the AIs, as the shoulder is a great deal sharper. That's not to discount the .280AI (or any other "improved" cartridge), just pointing it out.

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I like the .308, its recoil to power ratio is impressive. Out of a 26" barrel, you can hunt Elk with 180's outta the 308. My 20" barrel on my tactical rifle doesn't generate enough velocity, only about 2500 fps.
 
You actualy loose very little speed with a 20" or 22" barrel on a 308. The speed quoted for this test was with a 24" and you would only loose about 30fps with a 22". If you want some faster then stock 308 handloads I can quote you a few quick ones.
 
Right now I'm running Nosler 168's in Rem brass at 44.5 grains, one grain short of max, I'm getting 2600'ish with these. I must have a slow barrel, I'm not interested in approaching the max load.
 
What powder are you using? The fastest 168gr in the Nosler book is 52.5gr of Big Game. 2910fps that is a real THUMPER.
 
If you are getting nice tight groups and quickly droping everything you shoot, I would not change a thing, If you want some more performance IMR4895 is one of the slowest powders listed. Big Game, Varget, and RL15 all can push close to of just over 2900fps!
 
Well, since my load is shooting MOA at 180 yards consistently, I only punch paper, 400 yards is my limit, this load will do the job. I'm not a velocity junkie and what I've got now is working.:)
 
I'm disappointed the .300 Wtby. wasn't included. I've fired .300 Win. Mags that recoiled more. The rifle used has alot to do with it. Mine is a Wtby. Mk. V which reduces recoil quite a bit.
 
Yeah a Mk V weighs alot more. Both shot out of an 8lbs rifle the Weatherby kicks a good mit more. I already had to use under max loads to get the 300 Win in the contest, the Wby max load made 40.3lbs of recoil!!! Reduced loads would just look stupid since the Win would push the same speeds burning less powder then that larger Wby case.
 
I like youe tests. you should do one for wild cat round now. I would like to see how wildcats do compared to their parent rounds and magnum rounds above/ below them.
 
Well I kinna did compare "wildcats" such as the 25-06, 270, 280, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and 30-06 :) If you have any perticular wildcat in mind let me know and I will try to find load data for it. My next comparison will be the heavy hitters 9.3s, 375s, 416s, 458s.....etc
 
Acklys are not too tough, but do you have any idea how hard it is to find reliable load data for the Warbirds? No reloading manual I have ever seen supports them. Anything I quoted for them would strictly be rumor, and that is bad science. Educated guess is one thing but taking someones word for it on the internet can get your gun blown up in your face! One guy on reloaders nest is quoting a 140gr load for a 6.5x55 at 3100fps!!! I start getting pressure signs 300fps under that using the same powder, could you imagine if I force fed it 8 more grains of powder?!?
 
yea I see your point. I liked what you did here and thought it may be educational on the powder savings between performance and cost gaps that some of the wildcats can fill. I know some are worth it and im sure some are not. I just thought something like this could help a lot of guys make those seemingly agonizing drawn out decisions on our next calibers to build. I reload so I like some wildcats.
 
I respect all the time and information put into this research and it is factual hard data, but at the end of the day I'll take my 30-06 pushing 165gr Hornady GMX's 2900fps and keeping it within 400yds.

If I was looking to extend my range with authority I would go to a 7 wsm hands down no questions. After the 400yd mark though, it's tough to think of it as hunting.
 
Nothing wrong with a good old 06 check out the scores. 7mmWSM 280 AI there is not a pennys worth of difference between them except short action vs long action thing.
 
I much prefer the Taylor Knock Out scale when talking about killing big game. http://www.n4lcd.com/calc/

Paper foot pound of energy do not really mean much, since big game critters are killed by blasting holes through hide, fur, bones and various eternal organs.

For instance my 50-90 shoots a .511 caliber, 615 grain lead bullet at 1,400 fps. It only has around 2,700 ft pounds of muzzle energy and at 600 yards drops below the 1,000 ft pound energy mark you are using. But the bullet is still going around 875-900 ft per second at that range.
Oddly enough this also happens to be the same paper energy that the 223 Rem develops with a 55 grain bullet at around 75 to 100 yards when fired from a full length M-16 barrel.

So which will blast through several inches of bone, meat, fur, hide heart and lungs??? The 223 at 2900 or the 615 grain 50 caliber lead bullet at 875 ?????

By the way the Taylor Knock Out value for the 50-90 at 600 yards is a #38, while the 223 Remington is a #5 at the muzzle.

This is why old time Alaskans like my dad and grandpa used 220 grain bullets in their 30-40s and 30-06s...for Brown bear and most moose hunting. The may be slower, but they punch through like a freight train and make lots of holes through multiple organs.

That is also why I use 275 to 280 grain bullets in my 350 Rem Mag loaded to a moderate 2,400 fps. Plus solid 400s in my 416 Taylor.
 
Float Pilot, you're right about the 220gr. .30-06. It is a real killer and much more powerful than most people realize. Certainly enough for a brownie.
 
TKO formula is NONSENCE pure and simple. There is no acounting whatsoever for the expansion of modern bullets, what a load of $%^. The entire formula was created to guage the knockout probability of a headshot if you missed the brain, that has no berring whatsoever on what I do every hunting season. Want proof? Compare the legendary killing power of a 160gr 6.5x55 to a 45cal handgun. One of these has taken every species of game the planet has to offer on a freqient basis, the other is not ethical or even legal in most states even for deer because of it does not kill quickly. Guess what, TKO says the 45 is more powerful! If that is not proof enough for you I can site some other funny examples. OGW formula is much more reliable seeing as it does aknowlage the superior killing power of heavier bullets but does not penalize them for being high SD.
 
TKO also says that a 2 3/4 12ga slug is TWICE as powerful as a 338 WIN MAG!! One of these is recomended for hunting brown bear, the other will get you EATEN! LOL
 
And in case any of you had any faith at all in the TKO formula after those last two this one will cure you for good. Acording to TKO a 95mph fastball has has almost four times the killing power of a 375 H&H MAGNUM!! Now last I checked a baseball even at those speeds will do nothing more then leave a bad bruise, a 375 H&H will quickly drop any big game anamal on the planet. Now if you want to go Rhino hunting with your pitching skills go right ahead, just don't ask me to carry your corpse home LOL
 
One more and I promise I will quit, I love laughing at this mythical TKO formula it is so darn stupid and so many people accept it as fact. A standard bowling ball granny rolled at 10fps has 10 times the TKO of a max load 700gr .50BMG!! Does anyone out there still beleve in that nonsence? BTW the OGW of that fastball is 8lbs I think that is a bit more realistic don't you?
 
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