Heck of a trying day for a dad.

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jbkebert

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This morning started out at 5:30 am. It was cold darn cold with 15-20 mph wind straight out of the north. Caleb my 10 year old was all set to go deer hunting. He gets ready puts on the new coveralls that we picked up last night. We eat breakfast and he goes to put on the boots. Dang if there not to small. Oh well he has another pair but I'll be darned if we could find but one. By this time of running around and waking up everyone in the house Caleb starts coughing and hacking up a lung. Well that is the last straw for the morning hunt.

Oh well Keigan is on deck to go out for the evening hunt and is primed and ready to go. We double check that every peice of gear is accounted for and fits properly. Great we are all set to head out around 2:30-3:00 for out stand. My wife gets a call at 11:30 that her wedding ring is back from being worked on. A mount has come loose and the jewler had sent it out for repair. So the whole family jumps in the van and sets out for Manhattan, KS to visit Reed & Elliot. Of course we meet with my wifes little sister and husband for lunch and you know the rest. We get home late and go for broke and head out at 4:15 pm.

There was no way that we could make the desired stand site this late without getting busted. So we cross a small creek and crawl up the bank and edge forward to a field edge. At about 5:07 pm a lone doe slips into the field soon followed by a young 8 point buck. Soon three more does join the group. Sitting on the ground under a small cedar tree with some brush helping to conceal our position. Keigan slowly eased the rifle into position and slipped off his glove. Keigan slowly cocked the hammer of the T/C Encore in .270 winchester. Held steady waiting for the buck to clear a peice of brush the covered his shot. Finally the buck took that magic step forward and Keigan squeezed the trigger. Well the Encore barked and the buck dropped in his tracks. The 73 yard shot hit the heart almost dead center and blew it apart. A great finish to the day or so we thought.

After a few whoops and a high five and waiting the terrible 15 minutes before venturing out into the field. We crossed the open just before the deer and I look up to see the neighbors dogs. I assume that the two rots came to the sound of the shot but anyway they were less than happy to see us. The dogs ran out into the field and stopped about 40 yards away. I hollered and shouted for them to go home. The one dog made a mock charge or sorts but stopped after a couple steps. I again yelled and cursed them but now I have drawn my sidearm. I fired a warning shot into the ground but the dogs did not budge. Well this sucks I thought. Well it got a little worse the two dogs split apart. One dog started to circle around to our north and the other came around to our south. All this time barking and carrying on like crazy. I grabbed the .270 from Keigan and quickly slipped in a round. The one dog started to advance and now about 25 yards out and coming quick. The dog was stopped in his tracks and fell into a pile. The 2nd dog stopped at the shot and circled around us in a real wide birth. She went to her mate and stayed there still barking.

I reloaded the rifle (thank god I brought a few rounds) Anyway we backed up across the field and got to the edge and finally back to the truck. I called my wife to tell her what had happened. She got ahold of the neighbor and he came to get his dogs. Keigan and I drove around and came in another way and met him near the field where everything had taken place. The female rot was leashed and he was apologizing like mad for his dogs scaring us. I really felt like crap when I told him that I had killed his other dog. My neighbor who really is a pretty good guy was devasted at this information. While he seemed to understand what happended and why I did what I did. I can't help but feel bad for taking the poor critter. With my son there I felt I had no choice and stand fully behind my actions. Even though I am sure nothing would ever come of the situation I called the game warden and the sheriff to let them know what had happened.

Anyway a tough morning, got real good for a brief 20 minutes then just went to hell in a hurry.
 
I think we are both shaken up a little bit. I am thinking he is still pretty exicted about hunting as a whole. I do wonder what Monday will bring since our kids ride the bus to school together. I am sure there will be a little resentment. I can understand that I would be mad if someone shot my dog even if there was a good reson.
 
He should be sorry, you did the right thing.....

Your kid vs neighbors dog..............yep = right thing.

I think you showed a lot of restraint not shooting the second, to be honest.
 
I love dogs, but that one needed to be put down. Absolutely no question. No way the owner did not know this dogs temperament, or you would have had a scene.

He should feel bad, definitely not you.

Good job keeping your cool and taking care of your son.
 
I'm happy for you and your son. Too bad about the dog, but that is part of having dogs.
Especially multiple rural dogs that run loose, untrained and think they are guarding their territory. If a dog or cat isn't under control it's a predator.
 
Thanks for the feedback all. I do know that I did the right thing but still feel bad about the way it ended. My wife and the neighbors wife are friends on facebook. It seems that facebook has as many internet camandoes as some of the hunting and shooting forums. I read a few post from the neighbors friends saying how payback is a bear and how dare I. Well it looks like I may need to keep a eye over the shoulder for a bit. I am sure its just venting but I don't take very kindly to threats either direct or indirect to myself or certainly not my family.

For precaution sakes I printed the page of comments from facebook. I did not respond and ask my wife that she did not either. Think its best to just stay out of the whole thing. Pretty bad when you can't hunt your own land without a load of crap.
 
Since you already notified the sheriff, I'd pass that Facebook page along to him now. If you wait until something happens, they will ask why you waited. It will show you are not trying to "handle it yourself".
 
You did the right thing and to be honest I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. You were hunting on YOUR land with your young son in attendance. Why take chances? The dog's owner shoulders all the responsibility on this one IMOP.

Years ago on our property 3 dogs ran up on me while I was on foot. Two of them didn't act aggressive in any way but the third was really on the offensive. He got within about 15 feet of me before I put a warning shot in front of him. At that point he stood there barking and lunging at me while I decided to shoot him or not. In the end I let him go, and as the group swam the river I sent a little motivation their way to speed them along with great effect. Never saw them again.
 
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jbkebert congratulations to you and your son, that is a fine looking deer. As far as the dogs are concerned it does suck that you and your boy had to go through that, especially while hunting on your own land. However you did the right thing, preserving your childs safety is of utmost priority.

Your nieghbor if he is a decent person should be apologizing to you. If a person is going to own pets then they need to take responsibility for them. Which means keeping them on they're property, fenced leashed or otherwise and not letting them become a threat to the public. Not letting them run willy nilly as they please all over the country side. I myself as a dog owner would be doing some heavy apologizing if my german sheperd did that. I might be a little heated however at the same I would totally understand under that set of circumstances why the dog had to be shot. However I would never let my dog leave my property in the first place.

Years ago my grandfather had a problem with a nieghbors german shepard. As he advanced in age he sold off his beef cows and got a small herd of sheep to keep him busy. Shortly there after the nieghbors german shepard started showing up like clockwork right at dinner time and would chase the sheep. Grandad called the nieghbor and told him to come get his dog and he had better start keeping it tied up if it can't stay on they're property.

My grandfather talked to the constable the next day to verify what actions he could take legaly if the dog appered the next day. The constable told him that if someones dog came on his property and caused damage or threatened live stock that he could legaly shoot the dog or of course file a civil suit against the owner. My granfather went home called the nieghbor and informed him that his dog had better not show back up at the farm as he wasn't going to file a civil suit but dispatch the dog instead. And if he had any questions or problems to go talk to the constable as he did.

Things were quiet for about a week then the dog showed back up right at dinner time. That is when the dog was introduced to grandads 30-40 Krag end of problem.
 
jbkebert sounds like you had a rough day but the good news is, it's over and everyone is ok. You got a whole forum here that understands your actions and that you did nothing wrong.

You could talk to your neighbor about getting him a new dog. Not that you have to or did anything wrong, but it may help end some of the facebook hatred, plus help a friendship, and ease a little pain of shooting his dog.

Just an idea, he may not want another one.
 
I think that you did the right thing, but I know how you feel. I had to kill one of my neighbors dogs. Even though it had bitten my grandaughter and was still attacking when I shot it, I felt bad about it for months. Just a little advice; ask the neighbor to go on facebook and settle that mess right away. It is a threat to you and yours, whether you want to accept that or not. If he doesn't want to stop it, notify the police and file a complaint. There really are a lot of nuts out there who are looking for an excuse to do no good. I'm not referring to your neighbor, but now he's not the only one envolved. Good luck.
 
you had every right to protect yourself from the dogs.

definately take the facebook page to the sherrif. too many yahoo's out there. a quick call from the sherrif to the idiots should put them back in their place and shut them up.

the owner of the dogs was in the wrong for letting them run wild like that. we have put neighbors dogs down when they started tresspassing on our land and chasing the horses and cows. as long as you keep an eye out for the yahoos and notify the sherrif then you will be ok.

oh and nice deer for the kid.
 
Free ranging dogs are a problem. In Central Texas, they are largely considered fair game if caught on your property. One of our ranch dogs was shot in the rear a few years ago (I'm sure by one of our neighbors), and although he's a sweet dog, I'm sure he was doing something he shouldn't have been, so no hard feelings. I've fired warning shots at several of my neighbors dogs when they were on our property but not causing damage. My dad shot one awhile back that was growling/barking at him. If dogs are on your property running your livestock, chasing your game, or being agressive toward people, they should be shot without a second thought. Years ago, one of my friends had a dog who killed a neighbor's lamb. When the neighbor came and reported it to my friend's dad, the dad immediately retrieved a firearm from the house and put the dog down. That's how you keep good neighbor relations and teach your kids responsiblity.
 
Once "blooded" a dog will revert back to his nature and you will be hard pressed to get it trained back out of them. I would not have had a second thought about what you did. As far as what they are posting on Face Book, Take it to the sheriff like others have said simply to CYA.

When it comes to Rotties, shoot first and to hell with the questions. I own 2 and trust me you would not want either of them to get a hold of you or your kid. They can be the sweetest dogs on the planet but can also be the most vicious when defending what they perceive as their territory. Neither one of mine would ever even growl at a child even if the kid was whipping them, but you even offer a fast move towards me or mine and you would be dinner! They stay on my property as they are trained to. Basically they are a couple of knuckleheaded stubborn PITA's but I could not ask for better protectors for myself or my kids. Not quite as smart as a Shepard but more than make up for that in loyalty.
 
I just got done skinning the deer and getting it cut up. Saturday was pretty hecktic and besides it has been fairly cold. Getting down into the teens at night and in the mid 20's during the day to low 30's. The darn thing was froze stiff and a PITA to skin out. I remember why I always neck shoot deer if I hunt rifle season. I pretty much lost the entire front shoulder on the far side of the shot. The near side wasn't to great either. Funny the entrance and exit wounds were not much more than dime sized. The blood shot meat was tremendous. All damage was held forward of the diaphram but I hate to waste meat. Keigan is a pretty decent shot but I am not ready to let him loose on spinal shots until he gets a better understanding of a deers anatomy.
All in all I only got 35-40 pounds of meat it was a young deer but I have not gotton that little meat off a animal in a while.
 
i have been hunting on 3 occasions and have seen my neighbors bull dogs. there are no words to describe how ill i become when i get up at 530 to sit in the freezing cold then just to have my hunt ruined by ugly dogs. So far i have fired only warning shots when they bark at me. I have warned my neighbors that next time they wont be so lucky.
 
It seems the latest version of thier story is that I am a blood thirsty maniac. They are afraid to let the other dog outside because he might look the wrong way and be killed for nothing like the first dog. To hear them tell it I kicked in the front door guns blazing and shot the dog on the living room floor while they were watching lifetime.

The whole matter is really starting to piss me off. I am also sure when the snow starts to fly they will be asking me to come clear their drive or pull them out when they get stuck. The dogs names where Mayhem and Chaos. Two of the more popular names from the bible I am sure. Sorry to rant but city folks who move to the country piss me off. They seem to think since they live in the country they can do whatever the heck they want. I have visited with the sheriff again and let them know what has been going on. They have not used my name in any of their post on facebook that I know of. I am waiting for that to happen and I will have the sheriff pay them a visit.
 
I've seen plenty of people do something wrong, and the last person they blame is themselves. It is a very common trait, especially these days. They should have kept their dogs own their on property, especially dogs of a breed that are known to have killed people in the past. Keep the dogs inside, keep them fenced in, or at least use and invisible fence. If you let your animals run free then you have to be ready for things to happen.
 
The folks that lost their dog are grieving. You are part of their process. I hope they get over it but some never do. Hopefully they will stop this unacceptable behavior so they can put it behind them. Until they do, they will keep reminding you of it and you will have to deal with it. What a nightmare? The best you can do is show your son a good way to deal with such matters and not a way that will be negative for him. Life lessons are hard but worth while. He is watching you Dad. Good luck.
 
i drive a propane truck and i got attacked about a year ago lost 6mos of my life,
could not defend myself, because i am on there property, but as far as being in the street
or where i am allowed and a strange dog runs up on me they die no question. And would
not lose any sleep
 
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