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Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Boba Fett, Dec 4, 2009.

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  1. plumberroy

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    That is why I don't use poison I eliminate their access to food block holes and trap, shoot, cut back on the cats food :D
    Pest or not all animal deserve a quick humane death if a human is doing it. If it is with in your powers to end the suffering of an animal you shot and you don't do it like in this video .... Well you are getting real close to my only exception to this rule
     
  2. Balog

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    When the farmers run their threshers (combines etc) through a field they kill many thousands of small field animals. Those deaths are often slow and painful, bleeding out after a leg is ripped off etc. Shall we go back to harvesting crops with scythes?

    Animals have to die to sustain modern life and population levels. Sometimes, those deaths are protracted and unpleasant. We strive to reduce these as much as possible, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Deal with it.
     
  3. plumberroy

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    There is a Big difference in running over an animal in a combine which you usually don't see (I have spent a few hours in combine) and gut shooting an animal and leaving it to die. when it is with in your power to finish it. 90% of the farmers I know carry a 22 in the combine any way (ground hogs ,coyotes, coon etc.) would stop and put a creature out of its misery. I remove groundhogs for farmers every year A few coyotes to .We have hogs close now and the farmers I help with groundhogs are going to call me at the first sight of hog sign.
    I also know that rat poison is the only option in some livestock and grain operations,but To many people in my situation use poison as the first option not the last.My situation by the way is an acre of ground, full time job, raise a big garden, and enough chickens and ducks to keep us in eggs a chicken for the pot once in a while and sell enough to pay for feed.
     
  4. X-Rap

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    The air operation they are conducting is based on speed, unfortunately that doesn't allow for frequent returns to areas already shot over or the time consumed making the perfect shot. Helicopters cost big money and you can count in the $100's per miniute for some of the real big ones.
    Think about your own acre and your stock and what hogs could do to it in one night, maybe it would change your opinion.
     
  5. plumberroy

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    I have lived where hogs are. I know what damage they can do. I know what helicopters cost to operate .I have been envolved with setting equipment with them plus we have 2 care flight helicopters at work I maintain the deicing and foam fire systems for them doesn't excuse gut shooting hog and leaving them
    Roy
     
  6. Double Naught Spy

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    Wow, so the hunters can afford to shoot the hogs, but can't afford to verify the hogs are dead? I have to admit, that does sound a bit inhumane. Many of the pigs shot could have been shot again, but the shooters didn't even bother. Most of the time, if the pigs tumbled, they were abandoned. Some of the shots did look awfully good, but given the number of misses and the gut shots seen, most of the shot were pretty poor in regard to proper shot placement to humanely put down the animals.

    This sort of behavior was exacted why PETA was against the program. The helicopter program can work and can work in a humane manner, but this isn't it.
     
  7. schlockinz

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    humane and economics are different, thats whats happening here. Not many people are willing to spend extra money to make sure that the hog dies swiftly, they just want it dead.
     
  8. X-Rap

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    My guess is the hunters are working for a co-op of farmers and are paid for results,(its not a matter of what they can or can't afford) as I posted early someone has to go around after the shooting and collect the carcases from the fields or they will cause all kind of damage to harvest equipment before total decomposition.
    This is only a guess but the effectiveness and economy of this type of animal control is a simple numbers game, the more hit the ground the more you are paid and I'm sure they are working within the state regulations.
    Just because YouTube doesn't show a crew following up and killing wounded animals does't mean it isn't happening.
     
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    Now I could see the reasoning to get an upper in .458 Socom!
     
  10. Art Eatman

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    Farmer/rancher viewpoint: The ad valorem tax man does not care one iota whether or not the farmer or rancher makes a profit. He's gonna get his $$$ or take the land. That's reality.

    The farmers and ranchers didn't create the hog problem. The hogs add to the cost of doing business. Or reduce income/profit, depending on which way you look at the deal. So, we're talking about the family's standard of living. Food, clothing, all that stuff.

    Feral hogs are nothing but overgrown houseflies and cockroaches insofar as the quality of life of farmers and ranchers.

    You try taking food out of my mouth and I guarantee you that I won't care at all about how much you suffer on the way to the morgue. Sure, my preference is for a clean kill, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over housefly and cockroach suffering...
     
  11. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Apples and transmissions. They're not houseflies or cockroaches, but mammals with a nervous system nearly identical to ours. I'm incredibly saddened and embarrassed the the mod in charge of shutting down this thread (as it should be) has put his stamp of approval on it instead. You can put a pig heart into a human - you know why? Because anatomically and physiologically, pigs and humans are very close in the grand scheme of things in the taxonomical world.

    This is absolutely ridiculous - farmer and rancher losses excuses are a piss-poor excuse for what is tantamount to animal cruelty. Hey, my food & shelter needs would be met a lot better if I lied, stole, and cheated too (all manner of unethical practices) - that doesn't make it right. What kind of sickos are you people, that would think that this is ok? Gut shoot a pig, with a 90% chance of doing so, if you even hit it at all (moving target AND a moving shooter), and then fly off to let it die? You think that's ok - really? Don't forget that for every video of one being shot and going down, how many missed or gut-shot or took a leg off or otherwised cause a slow, painful death, that were NOT put on the video? Likely dozens.

    First off, as I pointed out earlier, the problem lies not only with the ethics of the farmers / ranchers who hire them, it also lies with their UNBELIEVABLE STUPIDITY. Instead of PAYING money to hire these losers, they could actually make money by charging hunters, who would be somewhere on an order 10 to 100 times as ethical as these jokers.

    Secondly, even if it is a cost of doing business, the farmers/ranchers and the company doing this both have their ethical duties remaining in tact. They can choose to violate them, sure, and it's not illegal (at least until a zealous prosecutor gets a hold of these videos and takes a look at the vaguely- and broadly-worded animal cruelty laws and decides to charge them), but it's still so highly and blatently unethical that I just cannot believe that a link to this would be anything but promptly shut down by any moderator of the Hunting forum of The High Road.

    Anyone who thinks this is ok should be ashamed of themselves, IN MY OPINION. I sure hope the moderator here changes his mind on this. Obviously, your opinion and others differ. But saying this is ok is akin to anti-government activists saying what Tim McVeigh did was ok, because the end justifies the means.

    So sick of "oh the poor farmers & ranchers..." Don't like having to overcome problems that mother nature deals out to you? Then sell your land and come to the city and get a job like the rest of us. Maiming and torturing mammals is not justified, not matter how you slice it - no matter how much damage they do to your PROPERTY (no human lives at stake here), and no matter if you're too chicken-s**t to do the dirty work yourself, and thus hire someone else to do it for you.
     
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  12. X-Rap

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    The fact remains that after every hunter had his fill of "ethical hunting" there would remain a population so out of control that extreme measures would still need to be taken. Tim McVeigh yea thats high road.
     
  13. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    The analogy is apt, and it's 1,000 times more High Road than endorsing this crap, so you definitely mis-speak there. Do you know what an *analogy* is?

    Secondly your *assertion* is just flat incorrect:


    What proof do you have of that allegation? Not true at all. The opposite is true - there are so few private hunting lands in Texas, and so many millions of people in the cities, that demand for hunting and hunting lands through the roof in that state - you could find more than enough hunters and trappers to kill / trap them even charging a fee, that their numbers could dip to within reasonable levels - easily, if you're within 3 hours drive of Houston, Austin, Dallas, or San Antonio, or even smaller cities. LET ALONE what you could accomplish if you didn't charge the hunters. And guess what? Letting hunters & trappers hunt free STILL costs less than paying these trigger-happy idiots with a helicopter.

    Try to guess how much of Texas is NOT within a 3 hour drive of a major city...

    I've said my piece now, and won't be chiming in again. But you either have a conscience and morals - or you don't. No amount of "crop damage" or "land damage" can justify this cruelty. Continuing to insist that it does demonstrates the number of sociopaths in our society, which is frightening, frankly.
     
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  14. rondog

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    I think you need to go hug a tree, Doc. They're vermin, not deer.
     
  15. rcmodel

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    It's pretty clear to me you do not understand the growing feral pig problem in many parts of the country. It is out of control already, and there is no "humane" way to stop them.

    It is estimated there are more than 4 million feral pigs scattered throughout 40 U.S. states at present, and those numbers are growing daily.

    They are not only destroying farmers livelihood, but destroying native game habitat and out-competing them for all available food sources.

    Humane methods or not, they have to be stopped or at least slowed down before there is no native game habitat left.

    rc
     
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    To say normal hunting can't control the hog population ignores what far fewer hunters armed with far less powerful/efficient weapons did to the bison herds of the Great Plains. If you have a rat problem, you don't make the exterminators pay to remove the rats from your property. If you have a hog problem on your land and insist that someone else pays you to come in and remove them for you, your interest isn't in removing the problem, it's in making money.
    In this time of unemployment and scarcity of jobs, an ideal solution would be to put a bounty on them and watch just how fast the population is reduced. If they are vermin and destructive, treat them as such and allow people who are capable of exterminating them an alternative way to generate an income. Insanity such as "calling in an air strike" simply isn't needed nor is it close to cost effective.
     
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    Yea, but one feral pig is way smarter then a whole heard of Buffalo put together.

    You can't set in one place and kill a whole herd of pigs without ever moving.

    rc
     
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    !!!!!roflmao!!!!!
     
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    I know a guy that did this, he said is wasnt that hard, if the pilot goes the same speed as the pig, you just aim right at him and fire away, no leads or nothin
     
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    good luck, in FL wild hogs are considered livestock/ nuisance animals, thus the land owner may do what he pleases,

    most of those shots looked like spine shots, this pretty humane in the world of shot placement
     
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    I know people that have tried and leased land to hunt out the pigs, thought that they could turn a dime on it, instead they're now hiring professional hunters to come in and kill them off because of what they do to the land. It is a pigs intelligence and ability to make a rabbit look celebate that make them such a pests. I don't think that hunters will ever ethically take the problem down to a minimum because of the work involved. Most hunters want a lease that they can hunt all year round, and don't want to pay too much money for this, and even then, the likelihood that your average hunter would kill more than maybe 1 single litter of pigs a year would be low, so they'd still overpopulate
     
  22. Boba Fett

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    1) Animals are just that, animals. They are not humans. Doesn't matter how similar we are to them or how many parts from them we can use in our bodies.

    2) Quick, clean kills are the best way to go. But not in a "every circumstance, no exceptions" kind of way. And I will again say, if you really think that way, then you should start outlawing all types of hunting that wouldn't painlessly kill the animal and start hunting with tranquilizers.

    3) These hogs are a pest. They are hurting the farmers livelihood. But since some of you don't care about that, I suggest that if you want to have the hogs killed in a "nicer" way, come up with the $1400 per hog that is living on the destruction of farmland and give it to the farmers and their families.

    4) To those who think you can just have a ton of hunters roaming the farmland in an attempt to take out as many hogs as the guys in the helicopter did is unrealistic. You have to cover a large area over many farms. It would take a lot lot longer and would be more likely to get some of the hunters shot considering the number of hunters needed.



    Riddle me this: Why is it wrong for humans to cause the suffering of animals, yet it is completely acceptable for other animals to hurt other animals?

    Answer: it isn't wrong. This is our world and God gave it to us. We are to be good stewards of it, but it is for our use and benefit. That means, when possible, be humane. When there is a pest, do what is necessary.

    When the black plague was ravaging Europe, being carried by rats and such, do you think anyone would have had any problem if the fastest way of killing the rats was also the most painful if it meant that it would end the plague quickly and keep humans alive?


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    I take offense at this. Killing hogs is no where near the same as the terrorism McVeigh did to PEOPLE.

    Really, such a comparison is just sick and certainly is not High Road material.
     
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  23. LEVRLOVR

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    I certainly have had problems with hogs in the past but not to the extent some farmers have had.

    Let me tell ya' they can get detrimental to a property in a hurry if you don;t "nip it in the bud" so to speak.

    As far as shooting them from a copter, it is just as humane as any other shooting method.

    There are fellas on the ground going in and doing "mop up" work.
     
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    When I was a boy, our part of the country was over-run with an exploding jackrabbit population that was eating the farm & ranch land bare to the dirt.
    Then the wind blew the dirt away.

    They held jackrabbit drives where all the farmers, wives, and kids like me would line up and chase them into a fenced-in pen.
    Then beat them to death with clubs.

    Hows that for Humane?

    http://www.kshs.org/portraits/jackrabbit_drives.htm

    It would probably work for feral hogs too, but the hogs would eat the kids!

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