Helmke Speech: Guns, Politics, and the 2nd Amendment

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What a blow hard hypocrite. "I took NRA rifleman course's, so I know how dangerous guns are." All he speaks about are anecdotes about the tragic accidents involved with irresponsible ownership. Doesn't even delve into how many people have protected themselves. He speaks about slogans like "Guns don't kill people, people kill people", "An armed society is a polite society" in a condesending tone. He say's he doesn't want to take our guns, he just want's to tax and restrict ownership to the elite. If you actually watch the video, the logic involved is horrendous and broken. The man is a fool, pure and simple. He even say's "If you're a gun owner that carry's, it's not a crime. It becomes a crime when you fire the weapon." He completely ignores the fact that it is NOT a crime to fire in defense of self, or loved ones.
 
The problem with the Brady Bunch, is in this video, they try to put on this "reasonable" face. This concerned, let's have a talk, let's move forward face...

Depending on the crowd of course and always behind the scenes they want a total ban.
 
His opening comments weren't that funny. I think the giggles in response to pretty bland jokes pretty much indicate how much he has this audience in his pocket.

As you said, they always try to put on the false, modest approach, and of course the classic, "People like to have guns, I support that, I just don't want them to have guns" argument.
 
After 70 minutes straight of listening to this speech on gun violence and the 2nd amendment, I have concluded that I have better intestinal fortitude than that of a mountain goat. I sat and digested this speech resisting wave after wave of nausea. After all this, I need to remark on few points (though I have written about 3 pages of notes while listening). Bear with me as I rant and get a bit disjointed too.

Helmke Speech Prologue: It’s like a trip through a fun-house maze with mirrors…and a rabid raccoon running after you. It’s disorienting and scary all at the same time.

The speech itself:

Aside from the preponderance of the dreg that spews from his mouth, Paul Helmke brings forth one gleaming ray of clarity: he clearly admits a lack of knowledge about guns and their utility. He says about his youthful exposures, "It wasn't my kind of thing." He then clues the audience into the origins of some of his notions on gun violence. It is reportedly derived from a very inspirational source. No, not the Bible. It is inspiration coming from wild-west TV shows. That's fine not to like or want to own a gun. I don’t like ballroom dancing, but, I’m not about to declare myself an ‘anti-ballroom dancist’ and try to bend and disillusion the masses by overemphasizing my (lack of) experience or knowledge to persuade others to think the same way I do. Ironically I will mention the fact Dirty Dancing is on TV as I type this. Okay, I haven’t turned the channel yet, so I MUST be watching it. Don’t judge me.

He also admits to having been exposed to a traumatic event as a child. A friend who was shot (nonfatal) in the back, which, in conjunction with only having an uncle who occasionally hunted, provided the crumbling foundation from which he now views the subject.

‘There must be a way to get my point across’…I can imagine this thought in his mind. There is! He wastes no time by implementing the inevitable knee jerk/emotional strategy so commonly used by he and his ilk.

I certainly agree that a 3 year old alone pulling the trigger of a loaded gun, a trained officer accidentally shooting a cadet during a class, a 9 year old being sprayed with drive-by fire at her parent’s birthday (mothers) party, Virginia Tech, Northern Illinois, or a child being shot while at a piano lesson are tragic, senseless acts of negligence and violence to which no check or limitation can be set. I think we all can agree to that. So why say it? Likely to bring outrage, to expose weakness, and instill fear and helplessness….to make the audience quiver and ask, How Mr. Helmke? How do we protect ourselves from this?! The sheep are restless; this gunny is reaching for a aspirin to alleviate a forth coming headache.

“This is not a Republican, Democrat, Liberal, or Conservative issue…it’s an issue of common sense”, says Helmke (as usual, he will later bandstand on many points which clearly state the contrary). It’s obvious to note with his stated ‘facts’ like,

1. People who own guns are 3 to 22 percent more likely to be shot by that same gun.
2. California and New York have the only strict gun laws in the US which begin to address the problem... (apparently that likens us who live in the other 48 states as the denizens of anarchy)
3. There have only been 3 real Federal Laws in place to address gun violence (using Brady terminology…because it’s the gun not the person….I’m popping another pepto). Those would be: the machinegun ban, the establishment of a Prohibitive Purchasers Lists (what Helmke would call those who are “mentally dangerous”), and the NICS. I have a real problem with his term “mentally dangerous”…I think I know what he was trying to say, but I can’t help how it speaks volumes on his perceptions of the average citizen.
4. It’s harder to buy Sudafed than buy a gun. (Wow…just wow),

we have passed the fun-house mirror maze and entered the spinning room….

This iswhere I start to think about what it means to be ‘mentally dangerous’. We have learned about many people throughout history whose thoughts were considered ‘dangerous’ and against societal norms of governance. I think the terms we were taught to identify some of them posthumously were, “Patriot”, “Rebel”… and in some early cases, President. So what is a ‘mentally dangerous’ person? How would you identify them from patriot, rebel, or president? Perhaps the actions and intentions of the individual would be a better place to focus than on what Helmke believes to be the true issue: that you just can’t expect anyone to handle a firearm responsibly, so get rid of them.

“I’m not anti-gun, I’m not pro-gun.”, Helmke says. Gasp…what? Let me turn down ‘Nobody puts Baby in the Corner’ err.… the television, what? Later he goes on to say that the “main lens” he views our current, presidential candidates through is their position on guns.

Another jewel he claims is that even his friends worry about him ‘taking their guns’. Well, trust me on this Mr. Helmke, you don’t have any real friends with guns.

I gotta get out of this fun house.

Thanks,
Rok
 
Rok, I haven't viewed the video yet; I may later this evening when I've read everything on THR that piques my interest. The reason that I'm writing this is to commend you on your writing ability. I'm really quite impressed! I hope that you'll also submit a "letter to the editor" of your local newspaper, and to your Congressman and Senator. I find your logic, well thought out information and opinion interspersed with a touch of humor both refreshing and highly readable. Good job, Man. I'll have to look up some of your past posts. Thank you.
Robb
 
When will these pacifist learn their ideal has failed in every single society that has adopted it. How well did pacifism work for the former country of Tibet?
 
Rok wrote a good summary for those of you who don't want to watch the entire thing.

The one comment I would like to add after watching it myself is my amazement at how Helmke can produce shocking statistics at the drop of a hat!

- Great Britain had only 24 murders in 2005?
- After the DC gun ban gun homicides dropped 25%, suicides 27%?
- 500 murders by CHL holders within 3 yrs after TX issued permits?

There were plenty more that I failed to remember.

He actually admits that the Founders intended for the militia to be a balance to the federal government, but goes on to say that over time they became ineffective, therefore we no longer need them and people don't need arms. Sounds to me like we need more practice. If you haven't yet, check out www.appleseedinfo.org.

Jer..
 
I've watched 8 minutes so far.

I need some tylenol before I can watch any more. Something about Helmke seems to give me a headache.
 
jzimm-if those numbers are quoted from the speaker it looks as if he can quote-or better MAKE UP as he goes. Those numbers are so far off it is ridiculous..
 
You guys are amazing.

After 70 minutes straight of listening to this speech on gun violence and the 2nd amendment, I have concluded that I have better intestinal fortitude than that of a mountain goat.

Holy crap... Honestly, I couldn't last ten minutes. On the blog the author states he had to change batteries 17 minutes in, I didn't even make it that long. Couldn't take it.

So, Rok, thanks for the summary.
 
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This guys speeches should come with barf bags.
I made it 14 minutes in, just past "What we're trying to do is, how do we make our community safer?"
Well, we don't use a cop shooting a cadet as an example for why it the rest of us shouldn't have guns.
I also made it through his lie that he didn't really understand what people were saying with "When guns are outlaws only outlaws will have guns." He must not think very highly of the people who go to his speeches to be lying to them so obviously and readily.
To me his speech up to 14 minutes sounds like he's saying "I'm responsible, so I should be able to have guns if I want to, but no one else because I don't trust them."
As to "An armed society is a polite society." Has he read anything by Heinlein? Say... The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress? That was anarchy, people were polite because there were no laws to save them from people that they offended. I hate quotes out of context.
I bet he was counting someone breaking in and using one of the home owner's kitchen knives in his statistic about weapons in the home being more likely to be used against you.
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I got through to the end.

It took 2 tylenol, some chamomile tea, and an aciphex to get to the end.

I was trying to see things from his point of view, but I just physically can't get my head that far up my ass.

I mean no offense. I just don't know how else to put it.

I am doubtful as to the figures he states. I find the specific examples he states sad, but entirely irrelevant. Furthermore, I really find it rude for him to try to pretend to have this neutral perspective. That's a total lie. He has an agenda, at least be honest about it.
 
He refuses to admit any beneficial use for guns, and there is no anti-gun law he will say is unreasonable. The statistics he uses are also largely fabrications. Bascially, he wants to push for restrictions without ever defining any sort of line which he and his ilk will not pass.

If he would just say "law abiding citizens have a right to own firearms" he might have an ounce of credibility. But all he wants is more restrictions without any sort of guarantee that it is not just the beginning of a slippery slope.
 
What carp! Lies, misinformation and casuistry
What business has the least amount of restrictions on it? The firearms industry???? A guy buys 81 copies of the same gun from 1 dealer?!? What dealer do you know of that has ever had 81 G-22's or 1911's or Taurus 85's in stock at the same time. But Paulie here knows of a case where that happened.
I guess the dealer didn't need to notify BATF of a large gun sale because there's no restrictions on firearms dealers anyway...:barf:

What BS!...and his audience seemed to lap it all up.:banghead:
 
He actually admits that the Founders intended for the militia to be a balance to the federal government, but goes on to say that over time they became ineffective, therefore we no longer need them and people don't need arms.
Well, in that case, we really don't need to have the 1st amendment, because it was only there to protect the people's right to print Federalist papers.

We don't need a lot of stuff. But it's a right, like it or not. If you don't, get the **** out of the U.S. and move to another country more inline with your views (like China or North Korea or Cuba)
 
500 murders by CHL holders in Texas???? I find that very hard to believe. Perhaps 500 self-defense shootings by CHL holders. Big difference!
 
2 murders in the 4 yrs listed. Yeah, close to 500!

I can do this math. 2 divided by 4 equals 0.5, right? so we multiply by 10 for panic factor to get 5. ohh, wait, thats still not that many. ok so we multiply by 10 again. 50...ohhh...well thats how many people die by guns every day, right, Mr. Helmke? Ok, 1 days body count over 4 years still isn't so bad. lets give it another 10. 500 murders...ok, thats scary enough...
 
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