Help! I want to get a rifle before potential bans go into effect and am clueless
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highorder
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How are you guys getting my receipts again?...
You will need a rear sight for your rifle. www.cheaperthandirt.com has a few for $25.00 that will work fine. Anything else is just gravy. buy a rifle, at least 8 mags, and as much ammo as you can afford. www.aimsurplus.com has 500 rounds for around $120.00
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I would then have to recommend a Robinson Arms XCR, If you do some looking you should be able to find one under 1200 and It is very reliable and for the money it is a great weapon. I have one and it is a great weapon I have not cleaned in over 700 rounds and it is still preforming flawlessly and I have been using Wolf and Silver Bear. It has an option for a folding collapsing stock so you can make it smaller if you need to.It is accurate enough to get the job done fairly easily out to 350 yards as long as you do your part.
If you are going to get a ar15 lower and build your own, then the best price out there is Model 1 Sales at http://www.model1sales.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=KDE160&storeid=1&image=DPREK.gif
And the model I would suggest is a 16'' AR15 Dissipator Rifle Kit $510.00
You would have a full sight radius as a 20 inch barrelled gun with only a 16 inch barrel. A2 sights, full stock and cheek weld.
A AR15 lower runs about $85. to $135. depending on maker. I suggest Bushmaster, DPMS, Stag Arms, or Olympic Arms.
And the model I would suggest is a 16'' AR15 Dissipator Rifle Kit $510.00
You would have a full sight radius as a 20 inch barrelled gun with only a 16 inch barrel. A2 sights, full stock and cheek weld.
A AR15 lower runs about $85. to $135. depending on maker. I suggest Bushmaster, DPMS, Stag Arms, or Olympic Arms.
highorder
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The dissapator system is inferior to the mid-length in almost every way.
You get the size of a 20" rifle with the shortcomings of the carbine gas system.
tacweapon
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You can not get a mil-surp AK since they would then be automatic, but for 500 you could try to find an AK or a saiga for that
Jordan85, if your budget is $500, then you want either a Saiga (and the parts to convert it to evil status), a lightly used SAR-1 (Romainian AK clone) or a WASR-10 (the current Romainian rifle imported) and some magazines.
Ammo will be extra. WASRs run around $400 currently. That will leave some money for mags.
Or you could get an SKS.
Ammo will be extra. WASRs run around $400 currently. That will leave some money for mags.
Or you could get an SKS.
.303
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Get an AK. cheap mags, ammo, and accessories, they're indestructible, and are totally reliable. SKS is a good option too. it's a little more accurate as well.
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I didn't see any suggestions about the Sig Sauer 556. I would certainly take a look at it if you are in the market for a a very reliable, highly accurate battle rifle. It will more expensive than many of the recommendations for basic rifles, but it is a super example of german/swiss engineering . . . I missed your budget. Plan on $11-1300 for a Sig, plus sights and lights, and a bipod.
IMO, the rifle most likely to be attacked by politicians is the AK. I would go pick up a WASR or a Saiga ASAP. The AK is an excellent rifle. After that, you'll probably be hooked enough to buy an AR-15 as well.
AK first, though. Ammo is cheaper and the rounds are more powerful.
AK first, though. Ammo is cheaper and the rounds are more powerful.
I am a very big AR fan, but I would STRONGLY suggest you buy an AK, and pay cash for it.
If you can't do that for some reason, hit your next gun show and buy a COMPLETE lower, not a stripped one. Look for an LMT if you can find one, if not the next best thing would be a Sabre, then RRA, then Bushmaster. Bushmaster dealers tend to be awfully proud of their stuff and will over-charge for BM complete lowers most of the time. Either way, look online at prices so you can get an idea of what complete lowers should sell for. Your Basic LMT lower is MAP
d by LMT at $330, so that is exactly what you should expect to pay.
Then start saving again, and go online and buy a quality upper. Expect to pay between $450 and $500 for the upper without handguards, a charging handle, or a bolt/carrier.
continue on like this until you have everything you need. More suggestions can be found here
Do not go into debt for a stupid rifle. Get a job, skip the beer, whatever, and buy an AK if that's all you can afford.
If you can't do that for some reason, hit your next gun show and buy a COMPLETE lower, not a stripped one. Look for an LMT if you can find one, if not the next best thing would be a Sabre, then RRA, then Bushmaster. Bushmaster dealers tend to be awfully proud of their stuff and will over-charge for BM complete lowers most of the time. Either way, look online at prices so you can get an idea of what complete lowers should sell for. Your Basic LMT lower is MAP
d by LMT at $330, so that is exactly what you should expect to pay.
Then start saving again, and go online and buy a quality upper. Expect to pay between $450 and $500 for the upper without handguards, a charging handle, or a bolt/carrier.
continue on like this until you have everything you need. More suggestions can be found here
Do not go into debt for a stupid rifle. Get a job, skip the beer, whatever, and buy an AK if that's all you can afford.
thanks for all the suggestions guys. I wouldn't mind building the AR, but it seems like to make a good one it will cost about twice as much as an already built AK, and I wonder how confusing it will be for me to put it together w/ it being my first AR and everything....
bogie
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Vote, and put a few of Oleg's posters up around campus.
Seriously... Get a good bolt action rifle, a decent scope, learn to craft a handload for it, and be very happy. Keep in mind that the only rounds that count are the ones that hit. And if you miss with the first shot, a fast second followup just makes the guy squirm a little deeper toward the center of the earth...
Seriously... Get a good bolt action rifle, a decent scope, learn to craft a handload for it, and be very happy. Keep in mind that the only rounds that count are the ones that hit. And if you miss with the first shot, a fast second followup just makes the guy squirm a little deeper toward the center of the earth...
blackhawk2000
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If you can only own 1 "tactical" rifle the AR15 is really the only answer. No other gun can be configured in so many different ways. 1 lower, and many different uppers will get you many different calibers. Need a deer rifle? Done. .22 rimfire? Done. Long range rifle? Done. etc.
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Ruger Mini-14 comes to mind
Ruger has worked hard to accurize the once mediocre accurate 5.56mm Mini-14. The newest 6.8mm SPC models are touted to be quite accurate. Since I'm a bolt-action person, I cannot decide if I need a fast-firing semi-auto sprayer. Many third world country goverments count on Mini-14s to keep its peasants in-line. Mini-14s are King among AK-47s for country domination. I like Ruger's newest concept of the Minis' prowess. To control an entire population, takes a very special, fail-proof rifle. The newest 6.8mm will leave a lot of 5.56mm ammo moot and aging, but think of the new sales! 5.56mm ammo still has its place, and probably always will, but 6.8mm SPC is something to consider if starting out fresh. cliffy
Ruger has worked hard to accurize the once mediocre accurate 5.56mm Mini-14. The newest 6.8mm SPC models are touted to be quite accurate. Since I'm a bolt-action person, I cannot decide if I need a fast-firing semi-auto sprayer. Many third world country goverments count on Mini-14s to keep its peasants in-line. Mini-14s are King among AK-47s for country domination. I like Ruger's newest concept of the Minis' prowess. To control an entire population, takes a very special, fail-proof rifle. The newest 6.8mm will leave a lot of 5.56mm ammo moot and aging, but think of the new sales! 5.56mm ammo still has its place, and probably always will, but 6.8mm SPC is something to consider if starting out fresh. cliffy
I think the AK is the way to go for me right now. Less decisions to make (about things and parts I know nothing about), less money to get a reliable weapon, and from what I keep reading slightly more reliable. I have no doubt the AR is a great weapon, but right now I think to get the quality I want I am going to have to spend more money than I want.
I am really just trying to make sure I have at least one shtf rifle in my safe when/if the bans come. I do not need perfect accuracy out 200+ yards, and 1000 options/configurations. I just want a good tactical/combat rifle that will go bang every time, is accurate enough, and is affordable (for my minimal budget). That said, I am sure I will get an AR when I have more money if the option is still there.
So of the different AKs and AK clones available from the big milsurp suppliers (read jgsales.com and classicarms.us since these are the two I know of, suggestions are welcome), which are the best? Like I said, I am not looking for something that can shoot a golfball off a tee at 300 yards. I am looking for something that can stay in the silouette at 200 yards. A rail would be nice to be able to mount some sort of optic. Also, I think a collapsible stock for cq situations would be useful. Suggestions?
I am really just trying to make sure I have at least one shtf rifle in my safe when/if the bans come. I do not need perfect accuracy out 200+ yards, and 1000 options/configurations. I just want a good tactical/combat rifle that will go bang every time, is accurate enough, and is affordable (for my minimal budget). That said, I am sure I will get an AR when I have more money if the option is still there.
So of the different AKs and AK clones available from the big milsurp suppliers (read jgsales.com and classicarms.us since these are the two I know of, suggestions are welcome), which are the best? Like I said, I am not looking for something that can shoot a golfball off a tee at 300 yards. I am looking for something that can stay in the silouette at 200 yards. A rail would be nice to be able to mount some sort of optic. Also, I think a collapsible stock for cq situations would be useful. Suggestions?
If you're looking to get something before it's banned, I think this would be the #1 contender hands down. It's a 12 gauge AK shotgun with 10 round mags and 20 round drums available.
It's kind of a special purpose type of weapon, but I don't think there's anything out there that you can legally get without going the NFA route that can compare for sheer firepower.
If Obama wins, you can bet that these will disappear even if there isn't a new ban. You see, all shotguns with bores larger than .5" are only legal so long as the government deems that they have sporting purposes. So all they need to do to nix the Saiga12 is to have an appointed bureaucrat deem that it has no sporting purpose.
I know I said I was leaning towards AKs, but if I could get the characteristics I wanted in an AR for under $650, I would also be interested in those. What is the difference between these four kits?
http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Rifle_Kits_16_s/57.htm
If I was to go w/ one of these kits and a stripped doublestar lower from bud's (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411534767) would I have the makings of a solid, reliable, QUALITY rifle? Are there any other parts I would need to buy to have a functional gun, or would this be a complete gun and any additional items just 'options'?
http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Rifle_Kits_16_s/57.htm
If I was to go w/ one of these kits and a stripped doublestar lower from bud's (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411534767) would I have the makings of a solid, reliable, QUALITY rifle? Are there any other parts I would need to buy to have a functional gun, or would this be a complete gun and any additional items just 'options'?
sarduy
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Cash because you shouldn't be going into debt over this. The country is already bailing out $7 billion in bad debt.
AK over an AR for this exact reason. If you only have $500, then you'd be better off with the kind of AK you can get for $500-600 than the kind of AR you'd get for even $700+.
Complete lower over stripped simply because you seem apprehensive about assembling, and frankly buying stripped doesn't really save you all that much money.
AK over an AR for this exact reason. If you only have $500, then you'd be better off with the kind of AK you can get for $500-600 than the kind of AR you'd get for even $700+.
Complete lower over stripped simply because you seem apprehensive about assembling, and frankly buying stripped doesn't really save you all that much money.
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