Help Me Choose?

[Danoobie]

Let's back up a step.

It doesn't really matter if it's cocked if there isn't 1 in the chamber.

(Saftey rules also say loaded instead of cocked)

Now reread what you wrote but substitute 'round in the chamber' instead of 'cocked' and start thinking of the steps and scenarios from there.

I know what I wrote. The point is, you know immediately, upon casual observation, if a pistol with a hammer is cocked. AND it's also much easier
to uncock, with or without a de-cocker. Ever un-cock a pistol with a striker?

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

Fair enough.

I went the opposite route. I have 10mm to fill the role of 357 and 45 Colt for if I need something bigger.

I also have 327 Federal...for reasons I really can't justify other than I like it.

I want a .327 Lever Action and a .327 8 shot GP100

 

[entropy]

G19.

 

[Mosin Bubba]

The Beretta's a very big gun, and while that's nice to have for shooting, I'd have my doubts about it for concealed carry. I personally don't like the DA trigger either.

The Glock 19 is just about the right size for a pistol and makes a great shooter. But the not-a-safety Glock safety always bothers me, and I'd be kind of hesitant about packing one. Lots of people do though.

 

[jmr40]

eah I have other .357s, the 10mm isnt justified, it doesnt do anything my .357 doesnt,

Except hold almost 3X as much ammo, with better performance, in a package 2" shorter and a full pound lighter.

For your uses it isn't even close, G19 all the way.

And this Glocks striker isn't cocked, easy to see.

 

[danez71]

I know what I wrote. The point is, you know immediately, upon casual observation, if a pistol with a hammer is cocked. AND it's also much easier
to uncock, with or without a de-cocker. Ever un-cock a pistol with a striker?

Yes I have. The same way I decock a hammerless rifle of which overwhelmingly most rifles are hammerless.

A loaded SA/DA pistol can still fire decocked.

The point is to treat a loaded gun the same whether cocked or not. The 4 rules don't change whether it's cocked or decocked.


The 4 rules dont include 'casual observation'.



FWIW, I have both striker and hammer pistols.

 

[js8588]

I want a .327 Lever Action and a .327 8 shot GP100

Paying off a layaway on a Henry rifle in 327 & a Lipsey's Distributor Exclusive 7 Shot GP100 (blued 5.5 inch half lug). Should have em home early next month

 

[Danoobie]

I don't remember bringing up the four rules. But since you want to harp on them so much, which rule do you think gets violated, when
somebody suffers glock leg syndrome?

 

[entropy]

#2. Never point the muzzle at something you are not willing to destroy;

and/or

#4. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard until ready to fire.

#2 covers SERPA-type ND's, #4 the rest.

 

[danez71]

I don't remember bringing up the four rules. But since you want to harp on them so much, which rule do you think gets violated, when
somebody suffers glock leg syndrome?

I make 1 post that mentions the 4 rules and you consider that harping on them?

Seriously?

Rule 1 seems like a great one .That same rule you you seem to want to take a pass on by using 'casual observation'.

Rule# 1 : Always treat every firearm as though it is loaded.

# 2,3 and 4 having some applicability as well.


Ok, i see you now want to deflect and make this about glock leg.

This is what I quoted.

Walk up to any striker fired pistol, and look at it. Is the striker cocked?
With a hammer-fired pistol, you can tell, at a glance, if the hammer is cocked.
IF the slide has been cycled-HAS it?

Please explain how does glock leg have anything to do with your statement above?

 

[Blkhrt13]

Can’t go wrong with an older 586 or 686. I miss my old 686. So many regrets selling that one.

 

[Hokkmike]

Well the 10mm is gone and now Im having trouble choosing the replacement, the new guns considered are the Glock 19 Gen 4 and the Beretta 92FS, both 9mm. The purpose will be occasional ccw on long road trips (Which I frequently do), and fun at the range. They will NOT be the HD weapon, that role is filled. What are yall's recommendations on these two?

Both nice guns. The Beretta is too big for my grip. I think it is a matter for what suits your hands. I am a BIG GLOCK fan.

Your choice was interesting. I could never do that. I try very hard NOTto buy on impulse - guns anyway. I always end up second guessing myself and wondering if I made the right decision. I pretty much follow my research, which does include handling and shooting if possible. But enjoy!!!

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

Except hold almost 3X as much ammo, with better performance, in a package 2" shorter and a full pound lighter.

For your uses it isn't even close, G19 all the way.

And this Glocks striker isn't cocked, easy to see.
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Better performance is debatable the .357 holds the advantage across similar bullet weights in speed and the heavy for caliber bullets for 10mm are not really improving on the penetration with 180 grain .357s still out penetrating the 200 grain 10mm loadings Ive seen, the capacity issue is a non issue to me.

 

[Danoobie]

Please explain how does glock leg have anything to do with your statement above?

Pretty simple, really. While most folks DO want to carry a LOADED firearm, some of them prefer not to carry
one LOADED, AND COCKED, WITH THE SAFETY OFF.

It's not about the 4 safety rules that every 3 year old knows. It's about not setting up newbies to carry, with loaded, cocked weapons
that are nigh un-cockable, with no safety. Highly trained law enforcement professionals have NDs with these pistols on a regular basis.
Is this what you really want to hand a noob?

 

[danez71]

Pretty simple, really. While most folks DO want to carry a LOADED firearm, some of them prefer not to carry one LOADED, AND COCKED, WITH THE SAFETY OFF.

If that's what they prefer, they should buy that type of gun.

Since no one is forcing or promoting otherwise, why are you making it a contention?

Is the reason to deflect again? Because none of that addresses or has anything to do with your previous comments of being able to tell IF the gun is cocked by casual observation if you walked up to it.

Being able to see if it's cocked has nothing to do with not having the ability to carry it in the ways you outlined.

It's not about the 4 safety rules that every 3 year old knows.

Are you sure about that?

It's about not setting up newbies to carry, with loaded, cocked weapons
that are nigh un-cockable, with no safety.

Since when did this thread be about newbies? It certainly wasn't when you made your comment. Seems like another attempt at deflection on your part.

Highly trained law enforcement professionals have NDs with these pistols on a regular basis.

Now you're just exaggerating a fairly rare occurrence to try in effort to prove a point you don't have. Regular basis? Get real.

Is this what you really want to hand a noob?

Again, this wasnt a part of the thread nor in any part of your replies until you brought it up just now.

You bringing up newbies and glock leg doesn't remotely have any relateable context to the quote of yours I replied to which is

Walk up to any striker fired pistol, and look at it. Is the striker cocked?
With a hammer-fired pistol, you can tell, at a glance, if the hammer is cocked.
IF the slide has been cycled-HAS it?

After you made that comment, you brought up 'causal observation', which is a disaster waiting to happen, then brought up and exaggerated 'glock leg' which doesn't have anything to do with anything in the thread, and then 'newbies' which is kind of coming out of the left field bleachers but from the direction as if it was thrown from the right.


I'll say again, it's not that's it cocked that has inherent danger; being loaded does.


Go read the currently running thread about a ND. He knew it was cocked. He thought it was unloaded.


Its conerning that you STILL haven't acknowledged that and continue to try to justify (with irrelevant arrguements) making a borderline irresponsible and dangerous comments that being able to walk up to a gun a casually look at it to see if it cocked is a good thing as if it some type of implied safety feature.

It's not. Not one bit. Not in any context.

 

[Danoobie]

...such a "rare occurrence" that it happened to a chief of police, in a gun store, recently, on video. Such a "rare occurrence" that it has a syndrome named after it.
OK, got it.

 

[danez71]

I said "fairly rare occurrence". Considering about 40-50 people each year die from lightening strikes each year and a couple hundred people are injured... and that most people consider that "fairly rare", I think my description is about right.


You said "regular basis". Let's see what you come up with besides a nick name.


Besides.... it still doesn't have anything to do with the quotes of yours and is nothing more than continous deflection on your part.

I'll keep calling it out as long as you keep doing it.

 

[WestKentucky]

92 all day every day. Aesthetics, ergonomics, and a functional safety. This should not even be a discussion.

 

[Glockula]

I carried and shot a Berreta extensively in the Marines and I have owned a Glock 23 for 19 years. For the way the pistols fell in my hands I would go with the Glock over the Berreta. That said I would hold and try to shoot both.

FWIW I like the n internal safety features on the glock better than the Berretas external safeties and decocking mechanism.

 

[Robbins290]

I would go with the 19. fits CCW better then the beretta.

sounds like Danoobie does like striker fired pistols, as far as telling "if one is cocked". i have been carrying glocks and M&P's for the past 8 years or so. I do a brass check every morning before it goes in the holster. And i was told that "assume" all guns are loaded. so it simply does not matter if i was handed a glock, sig P226 or a revolver. I always pull the mag and rack the slide to confirm.