Help Me Help My Brother Find a Decent 1st Gun

[Duramaximum]

My brother is looking to buy his first gun for something to plink with, but he is only looking at wierd, cheap, foreign guns. Some of which include:

-Nagant Revolver
-Tokarev TT33
-Mosin Nagant

I've already tried to explain to him he could save a little more money he could get:
-Ruger 10/22 (he doesn't want a .22,)
-12 guage shotgun (he thinks the shell are too expensive, don't ask :banghead:,)
-Saiga AK47 for about $300 (he doesn't want to wait that long to save the money,)
-I've even seen old .38 Specials at the gunshow for about $125 (Yes, it was a Saturday Night '.38' Special.)

Granted, I these are semi-decent guns for the money, but they are so out of the main stream, I don't want him to waste his money. 7.62 x 25R, 38Nagant, & 54R is fairly hard to come by in NW Montana and I don't have reloading equipment. He just thinks he can order ammo off the internet whenever he needs any and I've told him that is a stupid plan.

What would you guys reccomend for Sub $200 plinking guns with ammo that is more common than what is listed above?

 

[KBintheSLC]

My brother is looking to buy his first gun for something to plink with, but he is only looking at wierd, cheap, foreign guns.

If its a plinker, I'd go for a .22 semi. Marlin, Ruger, etc. With ammo prices these days, it will pay for itself in just a few range trips. If he is really stubborn about avoiding a 22... He could try to find a used Hi Point 9mm Carbine.

Best of luck.

..

 

[Mastiff]

Have him get a Tokarev in 7.62x25. Also have him buy a 9mm Norinco 213 barrel from Numrich, and a 9mm barrel bushing from Sarco.
By merely switching the barrel and barrel bushing on the Tok, he can shoot 9mm in the Tok. Switch back, and he shoots the 7.62. SOG is selling the Romanian Tok for $219.95, the Yugo Tok for $229.95. The extra barrel and bushing will cost about another $57.


http://www.e-gunparts.com/products.asp?chrMasterModel=4060z213&MC=

http://www.sarcoinc.com/tokp.html

 

[Dan Crocker]

Tokarevs and Nagant revolvers are VERY VERY fun plinkers. The Nagant DA sucks though. It's like a 4-ton trigger pull.

 

[Rmac58]

I'll mention to stay away from ANY Hi Point, much less a used one!
Go with a Tok or CZ 52 or Nagant 1895.

 

[blackbearaddict]

it seems he wants something different
- i would say 17. hmr with a cheap tact. scope or 223 same scope deal

 

[blackbearaddict]

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=100772

http://www.opticsplanet.net/leapers...ange-estimating-mil-dot-sidewheel-red-gr.html

that sorta thing

 

[BlindJustice]

If he wants to get something with cheap ammo to learn on, a Ruger Single SIx with the convertible .22 LR/.22 RF Magnum cylinders seems
matched to his budget. This other crap he's looking at won't help him learn
how to shoot.

If he has to have something centerfire, he should be able to get a
CZ 82 in 9mm Makarov for $250 maybe a little less. It's actually a pretty
well engineered/good design CZ overbuilt for the Czech Police. It's a DA/SA
Semi-Auto with a 12 round magazine capacity - decent HD/SD for the price.
There's cheap import ammo, and domestic ammo makers have some good HD JHPs available.

Randall

 

[Mastiff]

I think Centerfire Systems is selling the CZ-82 for $169.95 with 2 mags and a holster, $159.95 for the pistol with only one mag.

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/cz82pistolpartcz82-gun-SF.aspx

 

[BlindJustice]

FWIW - if you want to read the history of the CZ 82

Google "CZ 82 wikipedia"

The currently available CZ 83 is chambered for .380 Auto which in
EUrope is known as 9mm Kurz ( in German = 'short') the metric e
designation is 9x17. THe magazines for the CZ 83 as well as many other
parts are interchangeable with the CZ 82. I mentioned the 9mm
Makarov which the CZ 82 is chambered for, in the metric designation it
is the 9x18 so the case is 1mm longer and it is usually found loaded just
a bit hotter than the .380 AUto.

That's a great price in the prior post.
do a search on CZ 82 and try to find a picture
to show your brother.


Randall

 

[Isher]

CZ P01.

When your baby bubba gets past the plinking stage,

And that won't take very long at all,

He'll discover that he has a correct, lifetime pistol.

isher

 

[Duramaximum]

I've actually been trying to steer him towards CZs and Makarovs but I think he's a little delusional. Yesterday at a pawn shop we found a Star in 9mm Largo for $200 he fell in love with because it looks like my Kimber. As if everone will think it's a 1911.:banghead:

We are going to the Gun Show today, hopefully I can have a little better luck at changing his mind.

 

[CWL]

I agree that your brother is going to pay & pay for the cartridges, too often people don't do the math on how much it costs to "run that gun".

Used .22lrs or .38 specials would make more sense -or a used Ruger 9mm will fall under that $200 pricepoint.

However, if he does get a Nagant 1895, he can fit a suppressor to it! Nagants have a sealed-gas system and is the only revolver (I think) that can be suppressed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvF4yurWSc0

 

[Duramaximum]

He was explaining that to me. Strange setup, but like you said, with all the ammo and parts that may or may not be made in five years, why bother?

 

[tackleberry65]

Making a pop can dance with a semiautomatic .22 is one of those simple pleasures that everyone should experience in their life. Be a good brother and go buy him a used marlin 60 and a pack of bulk ammo.

 

[MAKster]

Buying the least expensive gun you can find makes no sense, because the price of the gun will be trivial in the long run compared to what you spend on ammo. For less than $350 he could buy a new Ruger 95 or S&W Sigma.

 

[woad_yurt]

The TT33 is a great choice. It's fun to shoot, is devastating and surplus ammo is really cheap.

What about a Makarov or Model 10? Either would be much more practical for a first gun.

 

[Hostile Amish]

Hi-Point or Makarov

 

[Mastiff]

've actually been trying to steer him towards CZs and Makarovs but I think he's a little delusional. Yesterday at a pawn shop we found a Star in 9mm Largo for $200 he fell in love with because it looks like my Kimber. As if everone will think it's a 1911.

9mm Largo surplus ammo is really cheap in quanity. SARCO is selling some for 14 cents a round if you buy 1000 rounds. It is $17.50 for 100 rounds. $200 for a Star is a pretty decent price, they generally sell for over $300.

 

[mgkdrgn]

I don't want him to waste his money.

My advice ... let him. Personal experience is a MUCH better teacher than friendly advice.

 

[Mike J]

I had one of those stars years ago. It was a nice little pistol. I wound up trading it for a compound bow. I was really wound up on deer hunting at the time.

 

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tackleberry65
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Join Date: 01-13-09
Posts: 11 Making a pop can dance with a semiautomatic .22 is one of those simple pleasures that everyone should experience in their life. Be a good brother and go buy him a used marlin 60 and a pack of bulk ammo.

Great ideas bro...your the type of man I would want in a foxhole with me.... hands down!

 

[searcher451]

From the sound of things, your brother needs some help, all right -- but he's not going to find it on a gun board -- sorry, not even here. He needs some hands-on experience; take him to the nearest range and introduce him to a dose of reality when it comes to firearms choices.

A Nagant? Geez.