Help Me Pick My First AR

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WOW! What I thought would be a simple choice has turned into an incredible learning experience. The one thing I’ve learned is that there is no simple answer to this, except one, - to get an AR! :D

Now my mind is wide open, rather than buying the first sexy AR I come across, I have much research to do (though I still like that Colt M4)

Off I go… To the books! To the gun shows! To the forums!

Tell me more!
 
One other suggestion is to go to AR15.com and in the main AR forum there is a 15+ page picture thread. Looking through there might help you zero in on what you want to do with your first AR. Be warned that this may convince you that you need more then one! :)
 
My two cents. Bushmaster pretty much owns the civilian market, they sell around two or three times as many ARs as the next closest competitor. Yet when you read about AR problems, Bushy problems seem to be, if anything, under-represented. When one would expect, statistically speaking, a significant over-representation. My own very limited experience (I own one Bushy) also suggests that the Bushys are very good firearms. For my next AR, I'll consider Bushys, Rock River, and Colt, probably in that order. Possibly DPMS.

Here's all you need:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Bushmaster_Rifles.html
 
Here's a primer I compiled for my boss a few months/years back. I'd like to know about any inaccuracies of fact it may contain. Opinions are that of the author and are subject to change... ;)

So you want an AR-15É

Brand:
Stick to a major name.
Remember the best are A,B,C. (Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt, (not necessarily in that order). Also highly recommended is Rock River Arms.
Colts retain their resale value better than any of the others and have the best finish. Best functioning out of the box, but poor customer service if you have problems. They are usually more pricey than the others.
Bushmasters have great fit and finish as well as a smooth operation for a reasonable price. Quality and value. Excellent customer service. Good resale value.
Rock Rivers are equal in quality and value to the Bushmasters. Good reputation for quality and service, but haven't been around as long as Bushmaster. Not as good resale value as Bushmaster or Colt.
Armalites are high quality rifles, but are a little more costly and temperamental than Bushmaster and Rock River. Not as prevalent as Bushmaster or Colt. Good resale value.

Type:
Pre-ban
- (Produced prior to Sept. 14, 1994) - Typical Price Range: $1,200 - 2,000+
Has a detachable magazine and at least two of these "evil features"
bayonet lug,
flash suppressor or threaded barrel
pistol grip
collapsible stock
grenade launcher

Post-ban - (Produced on or after Sept. 14, 1994) - Typical Price Range: $600 - $1,000
Has a detachable magazine and only one of the above "evil features." In the AR-15 line it is customarily the pistol grip.

NOTE: It is illegal to put two or more of the "evil features" on a post-ban rifle.

The basic function of these two types of rifles is identical. Semi-automatic.
Pre-ban rifles usually cost 50% - 75% more than post-bans.
You can still find pre-bans unfired, new-in-box (NIB), but you'll pay big bucks for them.

Bottom Line:
If you're going to buy a pre-ban, I would go with the Colt. Resale value will be higher and Colt made the highest quality product prior to '94. They've since changed a number of features, not necessarily for the better. Colt was the primary gov't supplier of M-16s and prior to '94 made the "Cadillac" of AR rifles at that time. Close second: Bushmaster.

If you're going to buy a post-ban, I would go with the Bushmaster. This is a less expensive rifle that is just as functional as a pre-ban even though you can't "trick it out." Bushmaster is now making them for the gov't too. They will give you the best bang for your buck. Close second: Rock River Arms.

Regardless of your choice, make sure the chamber is Mil-Spec, not SAAMI Spec. This will allow you to use virtually any type of .223 / 5.56X45 / NATO ammo.

Be certain that the chamber and barrel are chrome lined, unless you intend to shoot in competition and keep the rifle in immaculate condition at all times.
 
When you buy your first AR, and you want it to be multi purpose, you always compromise a bit.

After doing a lot of research, I decided on the Bushmaster A2 upper with a 16" HBAR, often referred to as the Bushy Shorty.

Why?

Bushmaster is a quality AR manufacturer and mil-spec.

The 16" HBAR rifle is well balanced and handy. It is not that heavy - 7.22 Lbs. Compare to the 20" which weighs in at a pound more.

The 16" HBAR does not lose that much in velocity or accuracy over a 20".

I like the solid sighting system of the A2 style, and despite what some say, that handle is for carrying. Very ergonomic.

In the future you can always buy new uppers - in my case, a flat top 24" varmint style.
 
Well, after lots of thought and research, I'm back to the Colt 6400-C for a number of reasons: Resale value and the understanding that this model is standardized in terms of takedown pin sizes, replacable uppers and some drop-in parts.

I looked at all the suggestions plus a few custom assembled pieces by an armorer who has an excellent reputation with LE here in SE PA.

Since this is my first, and I am the cautious type, this will at least give me a very good place to start. Of course now that I ordered it, Bushmaster's new Carbon 15 97S shown in the latest American Rifleman really floats my boat too...

I guess this disease will never end... and I'm glad to be infected. :D

Thanks all, this was an especially informative forum and I appreciate all the input.
 
The Colt 6400 C "M4" is an excellent choice for an AR, and IMO absolutely the best choice for those looking for an M4-style weapon. Mine is the finest AR I've owned, out of 7 (Colt, Bushmaster and Armalite).

You'll love it!!!!!!:D

vanfunk
 
I just picked up a Colt M4 last week and took it out for a spin today. 120 rounds of Winchester white box 55gr. without a single hiccup. Accuracy was dead on although I was only sighting in at 25 metres.

Greg
 
If you have the money and are willing to spend it: the COLT M4 is the way to go.
This thread from TheFiringLine.com touches very briefly on why the Colt is the better rifle. You can find more information on-line about why the Colt M4 specifically is the better rifle.
There are lots of nice AR15s out there. Most of them will do the job just fine. It sounds like you want the best. If that is the case, you are making a wise decision.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148499

By the way, I am not a shill for Colt. I own AR15s made by Bushmaster, Olympic Arms, Cavalry Arms, and Colt. They all work fine. I do not have a Colt M4. But, I know it is the best. If I was buying another AR15 knowing what I know now after owning over a dozen AR15s and spending lots of time talking about them and reading about them I would buy a Colt M4 and nothing less.
Rock River is highly touted on these boards. Note the chart on that link listed above: you will see that Rock River doesn't use the same quality components as Bushmaster and Colt. This doesn't make them bad: they work great: but if you want the best (again) Colt is it.
 
Again, thanks all!

Yup, I did it - Picked up my Colt M4 this past week, wiped out the excess factory oil and took her to the range yesterday. Just put 60 rounds though it, but, boy, oh boy, I KNEW on the first shot I made the right decision; what a great piece of machinery! Great fit and finish, and accurate.

Lot's of research, lot's of good advice here on THR, lots of looking, along with a bit of smart shopping and I didn't end up spending too much more money than an equal from another manufacturer.

Went to a gun show today, picked up a few mags, (some lessons learned quckly on that subject too).

Now I get it... and, I'm hooked. :D

Great info on this thread guys, all informative and helpful, thanks again.
 
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go with the bushmaster i have 2 of them the m4 and the 20in. h.b. and i shoot alot and you wont find any better.
 
What makes the M4 so popular.
That is simple. It is because that is what is used by the Army of the US of A. It does have a couple minor features but basically it is popular just because the Army uses it. I admit that I have one just for that reason. I see them in the paper, on TV, in magazines and I point and say: I have one of those.

Broomhandle: I would imagine you are referring to a Knights Armament foregrip.
 
A couple of pieces of advice:

Go with a flattop upper. I got a YHM solid rear sight for $40. Don't be stingy because you don't want to spend extra $ on a BUIS, because you will regret it later should you want to mount an EOtech or Aimpoint

Try to get a gov't or lightweight profile barrel. No need for extra unused weight, right?

Finally, ask lots of questions if you are unsure of anything. Check out ar15.com, that site rules.

-N3rday
 
I ended up getting a DPMS 16" upper with M4 handguards and put it on a Oly Arms forged lower. I paid about $575 for everything except mags if I remember right.

I had some problems at first with one of the cheap mags I started out with, haven't had a problem since. I have about 200 rounds of brass cases surplus I picked up a few years ago, and 500 rounds of the new polymer Wolf.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of the main manufacturers.
 
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