I would so love to just start bashing the AR with every negative comment I could think of and see how much hate I got. But the truth is it's a good weapon. In some instances it's even a great weapon. I have shot many. From decked out to plain. But they just aren't for me. My semi auto is my Springfield M1A. Absolutely terrible as far as a HD gun. But so much fun at the range.
Heretic time. I don't own an AR am I the only one?
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benEzra
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Shooting a Yugo SKS is like driving a Yugo.
Shooting an AR is like driving a Civic Si, or at least it would be if 40+ car companies made Civics and you could swap engines by pulling two pins.
You do realize we are talking about civilian centerfire .22's, not military automatic weapons, right?
Practical civilian purposes for the AR-15 include precision target shooting, plinking, defense of home, non-bird hunting, competition, etc. Do you not consider those acceptable reasons for we peons to own guns?
About the only thing you can't do with an AR is wingshooting/clays, and only because nobody has made a shotgun upper yet...
NoirFan
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Don't like them, don't own them. ARs are formidable weapons, they are accurate and easy to build but they just feel like toys in my hands. Older weapons like the SKS, M14, lever rifles and pump shotguns sound like serious industrial machines with their metal on metal action. The AR sounds like a squeaky mattress.
I'm sure this is not representative of all AR shooters, but it sure seems like many of the ones I meet are in a right wing fantasy world. If there's a bunch of gun guys at the range, all the talk about shooting illegal aliens, welfare race riots, UN 'blue helmets' and DHS ammo buying conspiracies seems to come from the guy with the pimped out AR. Just one more thing to turn me off from the platform.
I'm sure this is not representative of all AR shooters, but it sure seems like many of the ones I meet are in a right wing fantasy world. If there's a bunch of gun guys at the range, all the talk about shooting illegal aliens, welfare race riots, UN 'blue helmets' and DHS ammo buying conspiracies seems to come from the guy with the pimped out AR. Just one more thing to turn me off from the platform.
bandur60
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I have "A" (one) rifle with a synthetic stock, a 20-year-old Ruger 77 .223; "A" (one) semi-auto rifle, a Weatherby Mk XXII. Handguns .... a different story .... but with two safes reasonably full I don't feel underequipped without any "black rifles." Different strokes, you're welcome to your hearts' desire .... I just like wood.
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PJSprog
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I don't hate them, but I don't own one either. I wouldn't mind owning one, but it's very low on my "I Want" list. I've always been mostly a bolt-action guy, and love my older military rifles. When it comes to semi-autos, though, I'm an AK guy. Simple and effective.
Hanzo581
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I don't own an AR because they bore me. They are like the Honda Civic of the gun world. They are popular, functional, affordable, have a bazillion aftermarket parts available but they lack any amount of excitement or soul if you will. And even if you trick yours out to be different it still looks like one you've likely seen ten times before.
I like ARs because they are very ergonomic, are natural pointers, have low recoil and very accurate at long distances. I am speaking of the 20inch barrel A2. I can't comment on the newer shorter barreled models since I never fired one.
A Honda Civic they are not because a Civic is a very relaible car that does not easily malfunction or break down. Sorry but one thing the AR platform does not excel in is reliability.
An AR can be vigilantly maintained to keep it reliable enough to do the job, but it is certainly not even close to the most reliable firearms design out there although given it's other very positive attributes I wish it were.
A Honda Civic they are not because a Civic is a very relaible car that does not easily malfunction or break down. Sorry but one thing the AR platform does not excel in is reliability.
An AR can be vigilantly maintained to keep it reliable enough to do the job, but it is certainly not even close to the most reliable firearms design out there although given it's other very positive attributes I wish it were.
PonyKiller
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never owned one and oddly enough have never shot one!
I used them in the Army but never liked the caliber.
I was shopping for a semi-auto 30 cal. rifle that uses 20 round, or larger, magazines and settled on the FN FAL.
I shopped based on the criteria of; reliability, caliber, parts supply, optic mounting options.
FN FAL works best for me, so that's what I went with...
chicharrones
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Shooting a Yugo SKS is like driving a Yugo.
Shooting an AR is like driving a Civic Si, or at least it would be if 40+ car companies made Civics and you could swap engines by pulling two pins.
I like that. I was thinking Toyota instead of Honda the first time I read the Yugo comment.
doc2rn
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I dont own one, and dont need one. If I cant get it done with the handful in my pocket and 5-7 in the gun I dont need to be shooting that day. If I was gonna hammer away for suppressive fire, I could see the need, but for what I shoot they are just impracticle. I even have a Rem 700 in .223 just cause I like that varmit cartridge.
What do you shoot mostly? (targets, hunting...) and what niches does that gun cover for you?
Serious question out of curiosity.
Heretic time. I don't own an AR am I the only one?
You're not alone.
I had plenty of trigger time on the M16a1 back in my USMC days and know the AR platform to be a really good one. They're excellent firearms in many respects. I just always had something else to spend my gun money on.
You're not alone.
I had plenty of trigger time on the M16a1 back in my USMC days and know the AR platform to be a really good one. They're excellent firearms in many respects. I just always had something else to spend my gun money on.
Ditchtiger
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Seems like a good place for this,
AR-15 VS AK-47, Solved Once and For All
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGih7eWI3E&sns=em
AR-15 VS AK-47, Solved Once and For All
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGih7eWI3E&sns=em
BigDeesul
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Its unAmerican to not own an AR!!
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FuzzyBunny
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I don'r own a AR or a Glock and don't really plan on getting one. Although I will get a used glock when I find one for $200.
I figure if full scale rioting or an invasion on our soil there will be many "battlefield pickups" around. Still don't know if 9mm or 10mm Glock would be best. On the plus side of 10mm I have 2 never opend cases of high quality hollow point of 10MM with no 10mm firearm. On the downside I don't think I want a 10mm chamber that is not fully supported. I think I would have to rebarrel the Glock in 10mm so there goes more money. I think I would jump at a $200 glock 9mm or even a .40.
I own 5.56 ammo and a dispenser and have ammo for it and even AR mags just no AR. But then again I have ammo and mags for many firearms I do not own.
I figure if full scale rioting or an invasion on our soil there will be many "battlefield pickups" around. Still don't know if 9mm or 10mm Glock would be best. On the plus side of 10mm I have 2 never opend cases of high quality hollow point of 10MM with no 10mm firearm. On the downside I don't think I want a 10mm chamber that is not fully supported. I think I would have to rebarrel the Glock in 10mm so there goes more money. I think I would jump at a $200 glock 9mm or even a .40.
I own 5.56 ammo and a dispenser and have ammo for it and even AR mags just no AR. But then again I have ammo and mags for many firearms I do not own.
texgunner
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I used to have two ARs but I sold them back in February. I have a disability that makes it difficult for me to shoot tactical rifles the way they're meant to be so I let them go. Dumping a 30 round magazine off a bench rest gets dull quick.
My 12 pound, 26" barrel 204 Ruger AR-15 does not lend itself to "shooting tactical rifles the way they are meant to be."
But off the bench, 3/4" groups or better at 100 yards. There is plenty of room under the rifle when using a five or ten round magazine. (Darn states with magazine capacity restrictions have made small capacity magazine hard to find these days.)
The icing on the cake is I selected the components i wanted in the rifle and assembled it myself.
But variety makes the world go round and it would get pretty boring if everyone just liked AR-15s.
Njal Thorgeirsson
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I've thought many times about piecing one together with separate components. I think for a second that I'd do it to have a nice firearm for less money.
But then reality sets in and I realize that I just want to build the AR because I like to put things together. I don't really have much of a use for an AR- there are many other firearms I'd rather put my money towards.
But then reality sets in and I realize that I just want to build the AR because I like to put things together. I don't really have much of a use for an AR- there are many other firearms I'd rather put my money towards.
Ignition Override
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When I was in the third grade, "Combat" was on tv, then "The Longest Day" etc were soon at the movies (25 cent popcorn). Those were Battle Rifles.
Compared to my Enfields, Yugo Mauser and Garand, the AR seems more like a metal and plastic machine than a rifle with character. The M-4s could use a longer sight radius and thinner front post. No thanks.
My next centerfire rifle will also be a Garand from the CMP. With so much money being spent on various AR components, it certainly limits price increases on these other guns.
Compared to my Enfields, Yugo Mauser and Garand, the AR seems more like a metal and plastic machine than a rifle with character. The M-4s could use a longer sight radius and thinner front post. No thanks.
My next centerfire rifle will also be a Garand from the CMP. With so much money being spent on various AR components, it certainly limits price increases on these other guns.
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Don't own one and don't really want one. Its not a caliber I care for, or would use, or even want to learn. My calibers jump from .22 mag to 6.5x55 and larger and are hunting weapons. Each one has a specific purpose. Glad others like ARs & .223, but they're not for me. Perhaps if someone made them in a useful caliber, like an AR that shot 6.5x55, I'd change my tune. Til then I remain : AR-less.
c.latrans
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I am in your shoes. Had one, actually was given to me. Played with it for a while, discovered that in my hands it filled the same niche as a Ruger 10/22. Long story short, sold it for more than it was worth and bought a center fire bolt gun that I very much enjoy. To each their own, but I was born and raised in the west during a time when "real" guns had a handle sticking off the side of the bolt. Guess I am a bolt gun codger, although I cannot remember any gun of any kind that I have not enjoyed shooting!
another pake
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I wore green clothes for a few years in the late 60's, during which time there was a gradual switch from wooden to plastic handled weapons. You liked em or you didn't.
Now 40 some odd years later I want to make peace with my prior displeasure. But I want to build one. Just beginning to study so I can figure out the configuration. Like someone else said, I'll want all the best parts so I'm not expecting to save any dough.
Now if I could just find a Buck Rogers Ray Gun. That would be so cool.
Now 40 some odd years later I want to make peace with my prior displeasure. But I want to build one. Just beginning to study so I can figure out the configuration. Like someone else said, I'll want all the best parts so I'm not expecting to save any dough.
Now if I could just find a Buck Rogers Ray Gun. That would be so cool.
Quentin
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It'll be fun! I got out in 1969 and started my first AR build after the 2008 election. Never owned an AR before that but many other wood&steel guns. Have done 4 builds now and all work fine.
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