Hi-Point Firearms - A different take

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I'm a fairly new gun/shooting enthusiast. One thing I've noticed upon visiting all the gun forums is the amount of bashing that the above company gets. I don't own or have ever shot a Hi-Point firearm. Ive never even held one or seem their handguns up close. There isn't a dealer anywhere near me that carries them.

You may like or not like their firearms, but anyone who doesn't respect what this AMERICAN company is trying to accomplish is foolish at best. If more American company's operated like HI-POINT ( excellent customer service, excellent warranty, 2nd to none & a decent product for the price) we won't be in the mess we're in.

In doing a little research I can upon the following;


Hi-Point Firearms is owned by Thomas Deeb. Deeb makes inexpensive handguns so everyone - particularly the poor - can afford one for protection or recreation. "Say a guy goes fishing and wants to carry a gun in his tackle box. You don't want to put a $700 Glock in a tackle box," says Deeb. "I didn't have a lot of money growing up to buy firearms, and I wanted working people to be able to afford a weapon without having to take out a mortgage on their house. Poor people need protection more than other people."

Deeb knows the low price tag on his guns may attract criminals, too. "The dope dealers and gang bangers don't like to spend a lot of money on weapons," Deeb said. "They tend to throw them away." Because of that, Deeb designs his guns to make them easily identifiable through ballistics testing and a second, hidden serial number. He also provides trigger locks, and stopped making a chrome-plated handgun that appealed to the criminal element. "Money isn't everything in life. I feel I bear some responsibility, and that's why I do everything possible to catch the bad guys," he said.

When Deeb learned that a Hi-Point rifle was used in the shooting at Columbine in 1999, he closed his factory for a day and considered leaving the gun business. "I was just sick over it," he said. "I thought about quitting, but then I thought I'm not going to be defeated by evil."

Hi-Point owner Thomas Deeb was a television repairman before becoming a firearms manufacturer. He was raised in Wabash, Indiana, one of six children, son of a barber. He bought his first handgun, a Ruger, at the age of 17. Soon afterward he dropped out of high school and joined the Air Force, serving during the Vietnam War. After his military service, he opened a television repair service center and video rental store. After spending a couple of years designing the handguns and rifles he wanted to mass produce, he opened his Hi-Point factory near Mansfield, Ohio in 1992.

The thirty employees in the Hi-Point factory earn $11 an hour plus health benefits, and are proud of their products. Hi-Point firearms has produced nearly a million weapons since 1992, and is now the fourth-largest handgun maker in the country. "Real, hard-working guns for real, hard-working people," said Mark Weber, 35, a Hi-Point employee. "I own one of all the pistols he makes - five of them"

Deeb makes $1 million a year, and lives in a $400,000, 5,600-square-foot house on 16 acres of land. Deeb's answer to gun violence is to enforce existing laws - not to further restrict gun sales or production. "If you have punishment, the crime decreases," says Deeb. He is a fan of President Bush, and gave Republicans $30,000 in the 2004 election. Deeb says, "I support George W. Bush. He's really empowered federal agents to put pressure on people who commit firearms crimes, and that's why crime is decreasing."

Deeb's 27-year-old son helps run the plant. "They say we're making guns for criminals. The truth is, my dad is one of the best, most caring people you ever met," said Thomas Deeb II.
 
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Good article, agreed about the bashing, but why wouldn't you want to stick a Glock in your tackle box?... but I think its good to know the makers of "throw-away" firearms has hidden a serial number and also does what he can to stop illegal uses of his firearms and "does whatever possible to catch the bad guys". Seems like an honest man who tries to give the ability to protect themselves to people who can't spend $500 on a firearm at this point in time.
 
I've never even thought about them much, but now I'll probably try to pick one up just because that sort of attitude deserves to be supported.
 
Because of their price point I have always been interested in getting one. For $100 or so I figure it would be a fun 9mm to beat on.


I actualy havn't heard to many bad things about high point, just the opposite.
 
1) If he paid $700 for a GLOCK, I understand why he went into the cheap gun business. He got ripped off, badly.

2) Have you seen the internals on those things? They look like they were machined in a high school shop class--they are horrible. Tool marks, burrs, you name it.

3) They are huge, clunky, and even uglier than a GLOCK. If the goal was to make a huge, ugly, clunky, cheap gun--congratulations, it worked. My neighbor had a .380 Hi Point that was bigger and heavier than my Colt 1991A1, and held 10+1. It fired every time he pulled the trigger, but if it didn't he could always hit 'em over the head with it, I reckon.

Stick to major brands, guys. A Sig, GLOCK, HK, Colt, or S&W will seldom fail ya and you won't have to make excuses for it. The price is forgotten long after the gun will serve you.
 
I have nothing but praise and respect for Hi-Point. Their guns might not win any beauty contests, but they are very cheap and very reliable. Top that off with their legendary unconditional lifetime warranty (transferable to any number of subsequent owners), and they've established a solid (and good) reputation in the market for themselves.
 
I would challenge any Hi-Point fan to pick up any of the former Soviet block pistols available at the same price and after shooting one try and tell me that the Hi-Point is a better value...

I'm not a gun snob. I realize the Hi-Points function pretty well, but when compared to all the other much finer pistols available at the same price, they just don't make sense. The argument is always made that the Hi-Point is there for people on low incomes, but I would argue that if you don't have a lot of money, that is all the more reason to buy smart - check out a CZ 82, a Mak, a Tok, a PA 63, etc, and you'll get a lot more for your money.
 
I would challenge any Hi-Point fan to pick up any of the former Soviet block pistols available at the same price and after shooting one try and tell me that the Hi-Point is a better value...

The Hi-Points are available in 9mm Parabellum, .40S&W, and .45ACP. The same can't be said of CZ-82s, Makarovs, Tokarevs, and PA 63s.

Some folks want the local ammo availability, and don't want to have to mail order in bulk.
 
I live at the end of the world, but 9mm Mak is available in the stores at half the price of 9x19. If you can't find it where you live, then you haven't looked for it.
 
"I don't own or have ever shot a Hi-Point firearm. Ive never even held one or seem their handguns up close."


Then why did you post? How can you have any opinion about something you have never even seen? You even claim they have excellent customer service, how do you know? Are you trying to talk yourself into buying one? I don't get the point of the post.

Thanx, Russ
 
I live at the end of the world, but 9mm Mak is available in the stores at half the price of 9x19. If you can't find it where you live, then you haven't looked for it.

Admittedly, it's been a few years since I've looked, since I don't own anything chambered for 9x18. But I concede that said surplus guns are in all probability of higher quality than a Hi-Point, for about the same price. Then it's really just down to the warranty. A seasoned shooter is probably better served by a surplus comm-bloc gun, but someone who's never owned or shot a gun before, may draw the rather logical conclusion that the brand new gun with an unconditional lifetime warranty is the better deal.


BTW, thanks for letting me know about oddball caliber availability in AK. I plan to move there (probably near the Fairbanks area) some day :)
 
"I don't own or have ever shot a Hi-Point firearm. Ive never even held one or seem their handguns up close."


Then why did you post? How can you have any opinion about something you have never even seen? You even claim they have excellent customer service, how do you know? Are you trying to talk yourself into buying one? I don't get the point of the post.

Thanx, Russ

P.S. Your "facts" seem to be from an anti gun article in the Buffalo Press, now I'm really confused.
 
I'm waiting for someone to author a thread on "reverse snobbery". There are quite a few folks who don't hesitate in the least to make remarks of how someone who spent $700 or more on a particular pistol could have purchased something just as good for $120.

I have both expensive and inexpensive pistols, higher quality firearms and some that are "cheap" (I own two Davis Industry pistols, so I know what cheap looks like). I don't look to justify any of them, nor seek anyone's approval or praise.

However, it sometimes seems as if people essentially go out of their way to justify their purchase. If there's confidence in the firearm, who cares what others think unless you're trying to sell it to them.

Personally, I have absolutely zero desire to purchase a Hi-point pistol (though a carbine has been on my list for a while) since I have no idea what role it would fulfill. I already have a plethora of pistols for defense, target work and historical nostalgia. However, I'm not going to bash 'em either; obviously they have a niche in the market or they wouldn't exist.
 
BTW, thanks for letting me know about oddball caliber availability in AK. I plan to move there (probably near the Fairbanks area) some day

I just bought some .762x54R for $6 a box. :)

Really though, I don't think 9mm Mak is an "oddball" caliber at all. There must be a couple million such pistols floating around and they continue to come in.
 
"I don't own or have ever shot a Hi-Point firearm. Ive never even held one or seem their handguns up close."


Then why did you post? How can you have any opinion about something you have never even seen? You even claim they have excellent customer service, how do you know? Are you trying to talk yourself into buying one? I don't get the point of the post.

Thanx, Russ

P.S. Your "facts" seem to be from an anti gun article in the Buffalo Press, now I'm really confused.

I have never read anything concerning Hi-Points customer service or warranty that was negative. There are hundreds of thousands of posts from gun owners on the web. If there customer service/warranty were not stellar don't you think there would be some posts somewhere that reflects that? Guns owners are very vocal about problems that they have had with gun manufacturers customer service & warranty. Prove me wrong, I'm open.

The point I'm trying to make here is that bashing a American company that seems to be doing exactly what our country was founded on (a fair price for their product, Polite effective customer service that doesn't make any excuses for there faults, that stands behind their product forever regardless of how many people owned or abused it) because they make an inexpensive firearm??? A company CEO that seems to care more about his customers than his pocketbook. Your kidding yourself if you don't think that if a majority of American businesses operated with the same principles that Hi-Point does, that we wouldn't be better off than we are now. Pull your head out of the sand & and take a look at the big picture.

PS - I have no idea where you got this from;

Your "facts" seem to be from an anti gun article in the Buffalo Press, now I'm really confused.
 
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check out a CZ 82, a Mak, a Tok, a PA 63, etc, and you'll get a lot more for your money.

Around here, you can buy a NEW High Point in .380 ACP for under $100.00, the 9mm and .45 ACP comes in under $150.00. The stores can't seem to keep them om the shelves, and the two local stores say that they have few returns due to non-functioning.

Look at the price of the Makarovs today, and the fit and finish of the commercial products currently available. The ONLY Makarov that I've found that exhibited fine fit and finish was the East German military version, and they are running just about $350-400 today.

The Tokarov is another fine example of a gun that has appreciated in value markedly. The last group imported, the Romanian and Polish guns, are also in the $300-375 range for nice shooters.

The PA-63 has a quality standard much like everyone accuses Lorcin of. Some of them are good shooters, some can't get through a magazine without fail. Even the Polish, who made the guns, tired of their crappy performance, and re-worked them into the PA-84. The PA-63 was here on our shores 20 years ago, gained a terrible reputation, and hold onto it today.

9mm Makarov ammunition is corrosive in the cheaper variants, as virtually all WARSAW Pact military ammo was. The same with the 7.62x25. Non-corrosive is available, but at a much higher price.

I own an East German Makarov, a Bulgarian military Makarov, a commercial Russian IJ-70, Chinese Makarov, and Romanian, Polish, Russian, and Chinese Tokarovs. I have a PA-63, and even a CZ82.

The CZ82 is a neat little gun, at $300+, and magazines are running $20+. It's not as accurate as my other surplus CZ pistols, and that seems to be commonplace in most everyone's experience.

I somehow cannot see where spending between $300-500 for used military firearms, or their inferior commercial versions, is such a bargain in this case. For that amount of money you could buy a new Ruger P95, or some of the S&W autos that are being discounted.

However, you're still spending 2 or 3 times the money. For a beginning shooter, with minimum wage job, it's going to be quite a stretch. Perhaps one of us can give him/her their patented method of avoiding trouble from crooks while they accumulate a couple of grand for a Wilson Combat 1911?:D
 
The CZ82 is a neat little gun, at $300+, and magazines are running $20+. It's not as accurate as my other surplus CZ pistols, and that seems to be commonplace in most everyone's experience....
I somehow cannot see where spending between $300-500 for used military firearms, or their inferior commercial versions, is such a bargain in this case.

I have no idea where you buy your guns, but Classicarms is selling CZ 82's for $199 with extra mag and holster, SOG has TT's for $189, P-64's for $169 and Arg. Hi-Powers for $299. J&G has Bulgarian Maks for $239. All of these are nice handguns, and all of them are less than $300, some less than $200.
 
The CZ82 is a neat little gun, at $300+, and magazines are running $20+. It's not as accurate as my other surplus CZ pistols, and that seems to be commonplace in most everyone's experience.

Man, where do you buy your surplus at?
$209 here, $219 at most other distributors

My CZ-82 is scary accurate and from my understanding, that is commonplace, not the other way around.
 
They are an American company filled with hard working citizens but at the same time I dont like the product they are putting out. I dont think of myself as a gun snob but I want a great pistol not just a good pistol. I can buy a Geo Metro and it will get me from A to B but i would much rather be driving the Mustang or even better a Corvette. All American made but some are just better then others. They are a good company to help people get a pistol at a very affordable cost. Im a poor college student but still willing to pay for a nicer pistol.
 
Y'all have to keep in mind that gun lovers are NOT their target market! Their target market is people that want to defend themselves affordably, not people that like to shoot. Their market is people that don't know what Makarovs, Tokarevs, and PA-63's are. People that don't WANT to go to a gun shop and shop around, but just want/need a gun to protect themselves and their family from whatever.

If a few gun lovers pick them up, and they like them too, well that's just gravy. If gun lovers DON'T like them because of looks or ergonomics, well, no surprise there.....but don't bash on them. Just walk away.

I have a 9mm carbine and a .40 carbine, and I'm not giving up EITHER of them! They're just too much fun, accurate and reliable.
 
Their target market is people that want to defend themselves affordably, not people that like to shoot. Their market is people that don't know what Makarovs, Tokarevs, and PA-63's are.

The job of a forum like this is to teach them! :)
 
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