Hi-Point Firearms - A different take

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triplebike said:
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.....Let's face it, when you've cranked out millions of $75 pistols, a ton of fools, crooks, an idiots will be armed with ease.

So what your saying is that if there was no such gun as a Hi-Point then the bold above would not have any weapons at all???? Maybe in fairy tale land, but in the real world they would figure out a way to attain a weapon. I'm sure a lot of crooks just walked in to their local gun shop, had the proper background check & walked out with a legal firearm. Not buying that, sorry.
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Uh, yeah...I think it's a function of economics, not gun control. When "stuff" costs a "lot" there's usually less of it and fewer people buying it. Am I over simplifying this?

I'm not advocating banning cheap guns, merely pointing out that a cheap product gets distributed in greater numbers than an expensive one.

If a straw man buys 10 lorcins for the price of 1 HK, I guess we have more guns in the hands of crooks....?
 
In my phone conversation with the Charlie from MKS, he told me that Hi Point is the 3rd largest gun maker after Ruger and Smith and Wesson.

Just a point of information for all of you.
 
Whoa. I would have figured Remington in the top three... or are we talking handguns only? Where's Glock and Springfield then... or are we talking USA made only?
 
I'm glad Hi-Point is selling lots of guns. If I knew somebody in poor financial circumstances who was going to buy one, I'd advise them to get a CZ-82 instead. If they didn't take my advice and bought the Hi-Point, well, they've still got a gun and that's a good thing.
 
The PA-63 has a quality standard much like everyone accuses Lorcin of. Some of them are good shooters, some can't get through a magazine without fail. Even the Polish, who made the guns, tired of their crappy performance, and re-worked them into the PA-84. The PA-63 was here on our shores 20 years ago, gained a terrible reputation, and hold onto it today.
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PA 63 is hungarian, not polish
 
I have no idea where you buy your guns, but Classicarms is selling CZ 82's for $199 with extra mag and holster, SOG has TT's for $189, P-64's for $169 and Arg. Hi-Powers for $299. J&G has Bulgarian Maks for $239. All of these are nice handguns, and all of them are less than $300, some less than $200.
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These are all supposed to be dealer prices. NOT retail.
 
Anyone can order from a SOG catalog (they'll take your credit card over the phone) but they will only ship when you've had an FFL-holder fax them an active FFL and they'll ship to that address. I used to do this back before I had a C&R and I still do it for non-C&R eligible firearms.
Last time I ordered from CDNN, they did the same thing (you purchased the item directly from them and they shipped to your preferred FFL once receiving their FFL license if not already on file).

Most places will charge a transfer fee though which is why I keep an active C&R.
 
"It fired every time he pulled the trigger"

Isn't that a pretty good point? I have seen some guns that cost ten times as much that didn't do that, but were supposedly "better" guns because they had fancy macho names and were pictured on gunzine covers.

Also, it really isn't fair to compare prices of surplus guns with those of new guns. What we pay for military and police surplus is usually a fraction of the real cost of the gun when it was made, not even counting inflation.

Jim
 
Darn, I never should have gotten a hi-point 9mm pistol. Even though it has worked everytime I have used and abused it. It was a cheap plastic gun with a lifetime warranty. But I was a sucker. It has put the round where ever I aimed it (within reason, but it hit the intended target). I should have listened to all the experts and not gotten one, even though it has always done what it is supposed to do. Boy did I get ripped, I could have spent alot more for a nice shiney gun that everyone else liked.
 
jonmerritt said:
Darn, I never should have gotten a hi-point 9mm pistol. Even though it has worked everytime I have used and abused it. It was a cheap plastic gun with a lifetime warranty. But I was a sucker. It has put the round where ever I aimed it (within reason, but it hit the intended target). I should have listened to all the experts and not gotten one, even though it has always done what it is supposed to do. Boy did I get ripped, I could have spent alot more for a nice shiney gun that everyone else liked.
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I hear where your coming from. Check out this thread if you haven't already.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=532666
 
At the last gun show I went to 2 months ago I bought a High Point C-9 pistol. I spent 4 hrs. looking at the various pistols for sale as I was looking to buy my first semi auto pistol at age 59. I looked at Glocks, Sigs, Walthers, CZ's, Seacamps, Rugers, S&Ws NAAs, Kel-Tecs, Eastern Bloc military pistols, High Points, and various other semi auto pistols. I bought a High Point C-9 for $139.00 + $10.00 background check. The C-9 did not seem to be any more clunky, unbalanced or heavy than any other polymer framed pistol I looked at. The only other pistol I had thought of buying was a .32 auto CZ250 for $220.00. I liked the CZ but for $80.00 less I liked the High Point more. We have a gun show this weekend that I am going to and I am going to see if that CZ is still for sale.
 
1) If he paid $700 for a GLOCK, I understand why he went into the cheap gun business. He got ripped off, badly.
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Nowhere in that article did it say he bought a $700.00 Glock, he used a Glock with a price point I doubt he'd researched as an example of a scenario a gun owner would opt for a cheaper priced firearm. Nobody would want to put a expensive gun in a tackle box to get scratched and beat up.

That being said, I own a C-9, proudly. If for nothing more than to support a business based in my home state that put people in a depressed community to work. Mansfield suffered job losses quite a while back, to the point the state prison is the largest employer in the area now.

It's real easy to be judgmental about those considering buying a low priced alternative isn't it? I discount the claims that criminals buy this guy's product, if they do, it sure ain't off the shelf at the gun shop, it's from some dude who ripped it off from someone. If they did buy it from a store, they had to take someone who could pass a background check to straw purchase it for them.

Not everyone buying a gun for home defense has $400 plus to spend on it. And making the lame comment that they should "save up" for a more expensive gun shows you're not considering the fact that households where the cost of a Hi Point is a major purchase is never going to save up enough for an expensive gun. But I'm sure they value their life just as much as you do. They're simply buying something within their means to defend themselves.
 
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Their target market is people that want to defend themselves affordably, not people that like to shoot. Their market is people that don't know what Makarovs, Tokarevs, and PA-63's are.
The job of a forum like this is to teach them!
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Well gee, if digging up enough coin to buy a higher priced gun is an issue, do you think broadband internet access, or even the purchase price of a computer is in the budget?

We have a friend who is a widow, drawing social security only for an income, and even has her housing subsidized. Coming up with the cash for a computer wasn't even possible, I gave her an older model that we used until we upgraded. Her access is through NetZero, the low free version because she doesn't have it in the budget to pay for net access. Not everyone lives in the same world those of us fortunate enough to have luxuries live in.
 
I agree that anyone can order from those dealers and have $35 to $50 tacked on for shipping and transfer, BUT unfortunately there are a lot of non-gun savvy folks who have never heard of FFL transfers. The only thing they know how to do is go to the nearest gun shop where they sell at MSRP or higher. So, they think that a Hi-Point is all they can afford. BTW, I would take a CZ-82 over a Hi-Point any day, even if the Hi-Point was in .45ACP.

KodiakBeer
Anyone can order from any of the dealers above (and many others), not just SOG. FFL transfer can be from $10 to $25.
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I didn't bother to read the whole thread but I'll respond to this. Maybe somebody else already did.

Speaking of Com-bloc ammo
If you can't find it where you live, then you haven't looked for it.
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Well, yes I have. I had a Makarov, and I've got a CZ-82 now, so all the com-bloc ammo I've ever looked for was 9x18, but it's far from common here. I know of a couple places that sell it, there may be others, but the two I know of are about 100 miles apart. They charge about twice for 9x18 what they do for 9x19. I order 9x18 on the net and it's not too bad, but I have to order at least 500 rounds to keep the price reasonable.

The guns themselves are good buys if you're going to order them over the net, with a C&R. If you have to buy them over the counter or order them and pay shipping and transfer free, well, the price gap gets bigger. Even with a C&R I paid about $100.00 more for my CZ-82 than I did for a Hi-Point 9mm that I bought over the counter. Both guns work just fine.
 
After reading the article it makes me one to go out and buy one or three just for beater guns but the dang Tokarev keeps catching my eye...
 
Hi,
First post here, and I don't own a firearm now. I can't afford much, so I am in the Hi-Point target market. If I buy a comparably priced surplus communist hand gun, where or who do I buy parts from if it breaks? I have so much to learn and consider right now.
Thanks
 
Big Bill said:
If someone PAID me $150 to take a Hi Point FREE, I'd refuse the offer. I hate em.
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Wow, that's a lot of pent up anger & hate you have there. All over a brand of firearm???? I hope a Hi-point owner doesn't end being next to you at the range, they might end up getting shot.
 
Hi,
First post here, and I don't own a firearm now. I can't afford much, so I am in the Hi-Point target market. If I buy a comparably priced surplus communist hand gun, where or who do I buy parts from if it breaks? I have so much to learn and consider right now.
Thanks
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You can easily find parts online, usually for pretty cheap. Plus they usually don't have many things that can go wrong with them.

And welcome to The High Road!
 
Hi,
First post here, and I don't own a firearm now. I can't afford much, so I am in the Hi-Point target market. If I buy a comparably priced surplus communist hand gun, where or who do I buy parts from if it breaks? I have so much to learn and consider right now.
Thanks
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But, High Points are unconditionally guaranteed for life, no matter who owns it. Most times they'll just give you a new one instead of fixing the broken one. I've read several stories like that. One guy was given a carbine that was in a fire, he sent it in and they sent him a new one back.
 
I'm a member over at the Hi-Point forums and there was a guy that bought a a 995 for $40 from a guy. The barrel was cut , the butt-stock had been hacked off or broken. Basically all that was left was the receiver, barrel and the pistol grip. He sent it back to Hi-Point and they sent him a brand new carbine a week later. You can't argue with that customer service. I've sent several high dollar guns back to the manufacturer only to be charged $$ and be without the gun for 6+ months in most cases.

I can guarantee that 95% of the people who bash them don't have 1st hand knowlesdge of them. Gun snobbery at its finest!
 
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