Hi-Point Firearms

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I have a 995 TS carbine with over 2000 rounds through it, and no jams. As for higher capacity magazines, Magpul makes 15 rounders for them. A word of caution though, they are real thumbusters to load. I use an Uplula and then they are no problem and function perfectly.
 
I guess now is as a good a time as any to post my torture test of a .40 cal Hi point JC. It is an older pistol that is all metal.

I put 500 rounds through it in one day. I dropped the mags in sand and water and only had one FTF out of the 500 rounds. That gun just worked the whole day, even if the groups it got were the size of a basketball at 10 yards. Ammo used was a mix of reloads, wolf, American Eagle, and PMC garbage (I HATE PMC).

Did it do it in stile? No. Did it cost me more than 100 bucks? No. Did it function all day? Yes. Will it work as a defensive firearm? In my mind, YES. I plan on buying several of each caliber and doing a proper torture test to each, like dropping the gun in sand (not just the mag) and putting a thousand rounds through each just as fast as I can load mags.

I dropped the mags in sand and water and only had on FTF out of the 500 rounds.

yes, I know, not much of a torture test. More like function test I guess.
 
"Justin" said:
If you can't tell the difference between a quality made modern pistol like a Glock or M&P and a High Point, you may as well save yourself a couple of hudred bucks and buy the High Point

That's a pretty facetious and disingenuous post there, Mr. Moderator.

It's not about telling the difference. Any idiot can tell the difference. It's about what gun can you use to protect your family if you don't have the money for a Glock or an M&P.

The first rule of a gunfight is "Bring a gun."

If the choice is HiPoint or nothing, HiPoint wins.

Back in the bad old days when they were called "Stallard Arms" their pistols had often questionable durability.

High Point Firearms re-invented the company and made pistols that work. Then they made carbines that work.

The ergonomics suck, and they won't win a beauty contest, and they are large, bulky, relatively low-capacity for their size, but they shoot, and shoot well. I can't think of a better tacklebox or under-the-truck-seat gun for about $100.

They are made in Ohio from American-made parts by American craftsmen and their warranty is 100% lifetime no questions asked. And they usually include a free magazine or two whenever they work on your firearm and return it.
 
If you can't tell the difference between a quality made modern pistol like a Glock or M&P and a High Point, you may as well save yourself a couple of hudred bucks and buy the High Point.

Sure I can tell the difference. I've got several of the "better" guns. That doesn't mean I can't appreciate a Hi-Point for what it is. Saying my Hi-Point works doesn't take anything away from my Colts, Smith & Wessons, and so on.
 
Hi Point owner

I have a Hi Point C9, and several other guns made by various manufacturers. I enjoy shooting my C9 and take it to the range with me every time I go. It shoots well and has proven to be be reliable and accurate. I am not totally fond of the fact that I have to use a metal punch to take it down for a complete cleaning, but other than that - no complaints. All most all of my other guns are more traditional and better looking in the eyes of the shooting community, but the slab sidded appearence of the Hi Point has kinda grown on me. I also really like the fact that it is 100% American made. Owning a lot of different makes and types of guns gives me the perspective that liking one doesn't detract from any of the others. Really want to start something and open a can of worms? Start a thread with a simple question. "What is the best gun to buy"? Just guessing but I would bet that would be a never ending arguement.
 
If the choice is HiPoint or nothing, HiPoint wins.

Agreed. And they do function, and as a friend tells me from first hand experience the claims about good customer support are factual. So, OP, if budget is a central concern, and if product fit and finish leaning more toward Mattel than Mercedes is of little concern, why not?

I was going to check one out myself in a hardware store once, but was physically repelled by the powerful Waves of Ugliness. :D
 
I hear good things about the carbines and the general gun-snob complaints about the pistols.
 
Agreed. And they do function, and as a friend tells me from first hand experience the claims about good customer support are factual. So, OP, if budget is a central concern, and if product fit and finish leaning more toward Mattel than Mercedes is of little concern, why not?

I was going to check one out myself in a hardware store
once, but was physically repelled by the powerful Waves of Ugliness. :D

Was the hardware store selling them for Boat Anchors ?
 
Haifisch,
Yeah the Hi Point rifles are butt ugly especially the first generation Plain Jane composite stock carbines. 100% warranted, even if you're the 5th owner. One thing you can't argue though is, if you were shot by one of these in the head you'd still be dead:what:
JT
 
They work. The ones I shot chewed through a box of ammo.

So what's the catch? Why are they so cheap? Because they are over-engineered blowback operated nutcrackers. This means a chunk of a slide that is about twice as heavy as other pistols to keep the thing shut until the bullet leaves the barrel.
 
My Cousin made the mistake of buying a "High Point" .45 just because it was affordable. The pistol is pure junk.
I dont compromise when it comes to the safety and protection of my family.
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Yeah I see your point. My cousin's brother's uncle, once dated a girl whose father bought a Hi Point and used it for a boat anchor. The poor man was killed when the gun went off at the bottom of the lake and due to cheap craftsmanship the trigger guard blew off, deflected off a dead carp and blew a hole through the bottom of his boat. He couldn't swim and drowned! It took days to clean up the debris in the lake and get the poor man ready for viewing by his friends and family. The time lag was due to a local ordinance which required all of the volunteers in the rescue and clean up details to be able to prove that they either owned or seriously intended to buy firearms with a MSRP of $700.00 or more. Based on that episode I would not ever advise using a Hi Point as a boat anchor, way too dangerous in my estimation! I do shoot mine regularly but I try to stay very far away from boats, marinas, and water hazards of all sorts. I am tempted to see what might happen if I tried using my S&W or Taurus as an anchor? Anyone out there have any experience with that? Oh yeah, I also heard about a guy who got seriously hurt when he took his boat anchor to the local range and tried getting good groups throwing the anchor 25 yards downrange, but that's another story.
 
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I would rather own one Quality pistol, than a dozen High Points.
Ya but you could hide a dozen Hi Points through out your house and vehicles and be prepared every where or just have one and hope it's on you when you need it.
 
Not sure why some people feel the need to dump on Hi Point. They seem to get positive reviews and work well. Plus they are backed by an outstanding warranty. They are not my cup of tea but I can't think of anything negative to say about them.
 
Ya but you could hide a dozen Hi Points through out your house and vehicles and be prepared every where or just have one and hope it's on you when you need it.


Having those ugly things laying around the house would scare off all of the rodents and insects...

I guess a High Point might be good for something after all.
 
That's a pretty facetious and disingenuous post there, Mr. Moderator.

It's neither, really. I've seen plenty of posts from High Point fans talking about how their guns are just as good, or better than, firearms made from reputable manufacturers.

It's not about telling the difference. Any idiot can tell the difference. It's about what gun can you use to protect your family if you don't have the money for a Glock or an M&P.

The average price of a defensive handgun is not outside of the financial grasp of even most people who are in the lower income brackets. Glocks, XDs, and many other models can be had on the secondary market, often times for less than $400. If you have to spend less than that, Makarovs, TT-33s, and S&W or Ruger revolvers can be had for under $300.

Even when I was making just a bit over minimum wage, I was able to squirrel away enough money to buy a CZ-75 Compact. Yes, it took longer to save up for it, but I recognized that it would be better to buy a firearm of reasonable quality than something made from pot metal.

The first rule of a gunfight is "Bring a gun."

cliche.

If the choice is HiPoint or nothing, HiPoint wins.

Except that the choice isn't "Hi-Point or nothing." Even on an extremely limited budget, there's a plethora of choices available. They may require you to do some leg work by checking to see what's on the used gun shelf at the local store, or ordering the gun from a place like Summit Gun Broker, but the upshot is that you end up with a better defensive sidearm.

Back in the bad old days when they were called "Stallard Arms" their pistols had often questionable durability.

Evidently they still do, judging by the many people who rave about the customer service they receive after sending the firearm back to get it fixed.

High Point Firearms re-invented the company and made pistols that work. Then they made carbines that work.

They make cheap firearms out of inferior materials that utilize an operating system that is incredibly sub-optimal for handling the pressures generated by rounds like 9mm, .40 S&W, or .45 ACP.

It's no surprise that the guns actually function with hardball ammo. A straight blowback system handling those cartridges generates rather excessive amounts of pressure.

The ergonomics suck, and they won't win a beauty contest, and they are large, bulky, relatively low-capacity for their size, but they shoot, and shoot well. I can't think of a better tacklebox or under-the-truck-seat gun for about $100.

If the main selling point for your tackle box or truck gun is "If it gets lost or so corroded I can no longer use it, it's no big deal because I'm only out $140" then yes, you have a point.

They are made in Ohio from American-made parts by American craftsmen and their warranty is 100% lifetime no questions asked. And they usually include a free magazine or two whenever they work on your firearm and return it.

And that's fine, I suppose.
 
You Hi Point Lovers just got OWNED !!

Not really, actually not at all. One man brought forth his OPINION on firearms. We all do it. My OPINION is that Hi Points are decent enough to be used in a defensive situation if that particular need ever arises. I have put enough rounds through mine to tell you it is reliable albeit not very accurate (basketball size groups at 30 feet).

That is my OPINION. Fact is I have only had one malfunction with my Hi Point and I can't shoot a CZ for crap, I limp wrist it too much. That is a plus for the Hi Point cause it is much harder to limp wrist a brick that uses Blowback action. Now, If I ever had to sell my gun collection for any reason I KNOW that I could go to a local flea market and pick up a Hi Point for 50 bucks, cause I did.

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Back in the bad old days when they were called "Stallard Arms" their pistols had often questionable durability.
Evidently they still do, judging by the many people who rave about the customer service they receive after sending the firearm back to get it fixed.
Evidently they still do, judging by the many people who rave about the customer service they receive after sending the firearm back to get it fixed.

Most people when they buy a firearm that has a no questions asked lifetime warranty most likely send it in just for a checkup if they bought it used. I did. I sent it in on a Monday and had it back by Thursday. There wasn't anything wrong with the pistol, I just decided to send it in cause I could. I got my gun back with a whole new spring kit and new magazine. I just wanted them to look it over.
 
They are made in Ohio from American-made parts by American craftsmen

Maybe its just me, but some guy putting together Hi Points being called a craftsman is kind of like a garbage man calling himself a 'sanitation engineer.'
 
One thing you can't argue though is, if you were shot by one of these in the head you'd still be dead
Same can be said for a baseball. That does not mean it is a good weapon.

No one ever said that one should not be able to defend them self. And if all you can afford is a High Point then by all means get one. Something is better than nothing. No one is saying that you have to carry a Wilson Combat or use a Korth in order to defend yourself, just that there are much better options out there. I am poor by pretty much any definition but I will save my money for a M&P.
They are made in Ohio from American-made parts by American craftsmen
Craftsmanship? Really?

I have put enough rounds through mine to tell you it is reliable albeit not very accurate (basketball size groups at 30 feet).
That is horrendous accuracy. I want more accuracy than that out of a firearm. And if that is the best it can achieve then I have found myself a new paper weight.
 
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Not really, actually not at all. One man brought forth his OPINION on firearms. We all do it. My OPINION is that Hi Points are decent enough to be used in a defensive situation if that particular need ever arises. I have put enough rounds through mine to tell you it is reliable albeit not very accurate (basketball size groups at 30 feet).

Basketball-sized groups at 30 feet are unacceptable for a handgun.

Certainly we can all agree that one need not have the accuracy of, say, an Olympic Free Pistol for defensive applications, but basketball-sized groups at 30 feet?

I mean, the defensive trainer Rob Pincus has stated (iirc) that a baseball-sized group at ten yards or so is perfectly acceptable for a self-defense gun. But basketball-sized?

Holy cow.
 
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