Hi-Point Firearms

[theken206]

only one I ever seen was many many moons ago and was a burner or a throw away if you will and as I understood{didnt touch the damn thing myself lol} it wouldnt make it but 3 or 4 shots untill it failed to feed

 

[Geno]

I did a thread on the Hi-Point a while back, titled, "The Little Carbine that Could":

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=260324&highlight=Carbine

Doc2005

 

[rondog]

I just got a 4095 carbine in .40 S&W, and posted this report on another forum.....

Finally got to shoot it Friday, and as I reported in the "Hi-Point reliability" thread, it seems to be a good-un. Considering I can barely see the sights with my worthless glasses, black sights against a black target, against a black backstop, I don't think this is bad shooting at all. Definitely minute o' beer can.

Yes, it sho' be ugly, but it seems to shoot just fine, didn't give me a single problem. Didn't have to touch the sights at all, but I did stick a tiny piece of masking tape on the front post so I could see it. Can't wait for the BSA red-dot sight to arrive, should increase the fun factor significantly.

1st target, 50 rounds of handloads, 7 yards, 16 yards, and 10 yards.



2nd target, 50 rounds of handloads, all at 10 yards.



And it's ugly self.....not bad for $189.99.

 

[KodeFore]

I have shot the hi point 9mm carbine. It wasnt zeroed to the scope on it but i was able to walk the rounds into the target easily. I saw some one flunk a qualification with a hipoint 9mm The rangemaster blamed the short 3 in barrel on the hipoint, but coulda been the shooter, who knows.

If you can afford 500 then you have a lot of options. Main thing is to rent/borrow guns and just see what you like. ( Or what likes you ) I have a Glock, and Ruger used for 500 or less and have qualified and carried both of these guns. Revolver vs Semi is a never ending debate but both are good if you understand them. .357 mag is especially good because you shoot both 38 special and 357 mag from the same gun. Also with a revolver you can tell if it is loaded bye looking at the cylinder ( the case heads show ). Have fun with your new gun.

 

[rondog]

Me, personally, I have no shortage of GOOD quality guns. I just wanted one of these cheap H-P carbines for a can shooter, and to see what the fuss was about. I'm also a brass-scrounging packrat, and needed something to shoot all the .40 brass that I find with.

 

[jonmerritt]

my c-9 has worked flawlessly from day one, I wouldn't hesitate to grab it for self defense, I get funny looks at the range, and smile when it hits in the same small circle as my ruger p-89 every time, at the our 25 yrd pistol range.

 

[kcshooter]

But my brother does and every time we go to the range he can't get a full magazine to run through it.

Soo, why hasn't he sent it back yet?? Obviously with the few random complaints about quality, you haven't seen anyone say anything bad about customer service, so why wouldn't he send it in? Doesn't seem to make much sense that someone would continue to try to shoot a gun that wouldn't feed when that gun has a lifetime warranty, does it? Like I said, mine was gone 10 days. Common sense should lead to the easy solution here...

1927 Colt Sistemas and several other used guns from better manufactures can be had for less than $300

Twice the price of a hi point. Not easy for every working Joe with a family. Especially in today's economy.

Like I said earlier and others have said more times than not they don't work

More times than not?? Seems there are only a handful of complaints vs the multitude of compliments in every hi point thread, and as I said, most of the complaints are those who's "brother" or "friend" had one, and it was crap....
Looks like they most likely have a bad one pop out every now and then. Just like every single other manufacturer.

granted I've never owned one, always thought of them as gangsters guns,

and as I understood{didnt touch the damn thing myself lol} it wouldnt make it but 3 or 4 shots untill it failed to feed

I don't personally own one. But my brother does

I saw a take down guide of one and it’s amazing to me that it can function

See what I mean?

Yes but will you give up before your 7th bad post?

Why should I? You sure didn't!

You call plenty of folks out on all sorts of stuff which you assume to be wrong and I have to say you are quite obsessive with it.

Seems most of the time I've called someone out on giving wrong or false info, eric f, it was you. Like a few days ago when you said Colt no longer makes 1911's. Or that in-spec 1911's won't shoot JHP ammo. Stop posting incorrect info, I'll stop correcting you. Deal?

Point of clarification here. This wasn't for the same gun, or same model. But for the same manufacturer. I have owned the following Taurus products:
PT22, PT145, PT745 in the autos and for revolvers: 2 Gauchos, a 905, and a 94. I liked the price points, the styling, and some of the innovation they offered, but they couldn't work reliably

Oh, well that makes it better. I still think I'd have learned my lesson about 5 guns earlier.


As I said, in response to the original poster, for the $500 you have to spend you can find a nicer gun that shoots better, but for $150, you most likely can't.

 

[Geno]

Agreed. Please read the following quote from Hi-Point's splash page:

The Hi-Point of Service:
Damage, age, and plain old wear and tear—these things happen. When they do, Hi-Point customers enjoy a lifetime, no questions asked warranty. And lifetime means just that— free repairs for the life of the gun, whether you are the first owner, or the third. That service is fast, friendly and expertly performed. Your Hi-Point will be back in action, good as new, in no time.

That is what I call commitment to service. No matter if you are the original buyer, or the 100th...your Hi-Point is covered, for life...for 10 lifetimes.

 

[larry starling]

kcshooter
Soo, why hasn't he sent it back yet?? Obviously with the few random complaints about quality, you haven't seen anyone say anything bad about customer service, so why wouldn't he send it in? Doesn't seem to make much sense that someone would continue to try to shoot a gun that wouldn't feed when that gun has a lifetime warranty, does it? Like I said, mine was gone 10 days. Common sense should lead to the easy solution here...

I'm not him, So I can't answer that question for you. As far as him continuing to shoot it I don't know either as I'm not sure he owns it anymore. Since he bought a CZ.

 

[Eric F]

kcshooter

Blah!

I'll stop correcting you. Deal?

yeah sure you will

So far it just this thread you are calling 3 diffrent people either liars or idiots in one way or another. I find your confrontational attitude most distasteful and unfit for THR. Your type would be better off at glocktalk please I encourage you to take up residence else where.

 

[tinygnat219]

Larry Starling,

This was part of my original post:

If your budget is $500 bucks, yes, there are better choices. But if your budget is under $200, I don't think you can find anything comparable.

You responded with:

1927 Colt Sistemas and several other used guns from better manufactures can be had for less than $300.....

Serious question, where are you finding 1927 Sistemas for under 300 bucks? I had one and mistakenly sold it off. I'd LOVE to get one of these again. If you have a local source, I would be in your debt!

Thanks!

KC Shooter,

Quote:
Point of clarification here. This wasn't for the same gun, or same model. But for the same manufacturer. I have owned the following Taurus products:
PT22, PT145, PT745 in the autos and for revolvers: 2 Gauchos, a 905, and a 94. I liked the price points, the styling, and some of the innovation they offered, but they couldn't work reliably

Oh, well that makes it better. I still think I'd have learned my lesson about 5 guns earlier.

What can I say, I liked the style, price points, and innovation offered by Taurus at the time. I figured that it was time to put the Kool-Aid down. At least I can say that I have sampled a good part of Taurus's product line.

 

[foghornl]

In my informal shooting group (We call ourselves 'The Cheap Galoots') we have most of the Hi-Point models owned by someone in the group.

Pig-Butt-stuck-in-a-mud-fence-ugly??? Oh yeah. But they go Bang! every time,or Hi-Point fixes it free, and those firearms put the lead where you aim. For any sub-$250 new gun, whether pistol or carbine, what more can you ask ? ? ? ?

OK, OK..I want Hi-Point to release the .45ACP carbine...my whine for today.

 

[larry starling]

tinygnat219
Serious question, where are you finding 1927 Sistemas for under 300 bucks? I had one and mistakenly sold it off. I'd LOVE to get one of these again. If you have a local source, I would be in your debt!

My local dealer got several in and has been asking $250-299 for them. Most have been refinished. I bought one and it cleaned up well and has been 100% reliable. I will be going back on Thursday and I will check and see if he still has some available.

 

[SG1]

These threads are all the same. Some love, some hate, everyone argues.

I'd say, try to rent one from a local range if possible. If not, try to find someone who owns one that will let you fire it. You'll never know if you like a particular firearm until you have used one.

As for me, my dad has two Hi-Points - a .45ACP and a .380, and since we frequent the range together, I have shot those many times. They are heavy, clunky, ugly and initially had horrible trigger. However, they went bang every time and were accurate. (It should be noted that there was a feed problem with the .45 that was remedied by polishing the tabs on the top of the magazine.)

I would say that the Hi-Points are a best buy in sub $150 hand guns, but you get what you pay for. I own Taurus firearms have have never been unhappy with them (despite the bad reviews I've read) and I own a Remmington 579
.22LR that I have been very happy with (despite the bad reviews I've read).

My advice is to find out for yourself and don't put too much into other's opinions. It's worked for me.

 

[Jim K]

On one thread on High Points, a poster wrote that they were "complete crap", "unreliable", "worthless", then stated that he would never own one, never had owned one, and never had even seen one.

Talk about the power of suggestion.

Jim

 

[Justin]

As I said earlier, I had over 5k thru one and it was still going strong. All guns eventually fail. But with my experience, that's pretty good round count for $125 bucks. Plus, after they rebuilt it, it was ready to go for another 5k at least.

Let me run a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation.

I shoot at local steel matches once a week. Let's assume the count for four stages is 75 rounds which is then multiplied by four weeks, giving a total of 300 rounds a month.

Further, I shoot at least two action-oriented pistol matches each month. For these, assume that each match is about 120 rounds, for a total of 240 rounds a month.

This gives me a rough round count of 540 rounds a month* or 6,480 rounds a year.

If the average Hi-Point needs to be sent back for refurbishment every 5,000 rounds, then that means I'd have to send the weapon back to the factory every 9.25 months.

Ever notice the people who trash them never actually owned one themselves, but those who own them seldom have a complaint? Hmmm.

Not to be a jerk, or anything, but frankly I don't need to own one to see that it is a weapon that quite plainly doesn't serve my needs in the least.

For someone of extremely limited means who needs a weapon that they can load and place in the drawer of a nightstand, with the intention of only shooting it once in a great while, the Hi-Point is better than nothing, but frankly I fail to understand the cultish mentality of Hi-Point adherents.




*Note that I am not including rounds fired that are less easily counted- eg practice on my own time, competitions that are only attended sporadically (the occasional 3-Gun match) or wear and tear from dry-firing.

 

[COMPNOR]

And perhaps as a gun for use in competetions, it might not be the best. And it might not be a gun you need in your inventory. But why does that make it a crap gun?

And I'm not talking about "I can't afford 'better' to defend myself so I'll buy a Hi-Point".

I bought my Hi-Point as a range gun. To go to the range and have fun.

So lets see.... it goes bang when I pull the trigger. Is accurate. And was under $200. And if people talk about hunting around for used firearms for a similar price, well I could probably hunt around and find a Hi-Point for under $100.

So having said that what more does it need? A "Hi-Cap" magazine? Well it came with an 8-rounder and I can purchase 10-round mags for it. For my purposes, that suits me fine. I don't need a 33-round magazine to blow all my ammo in the first shooting session.

So I have a range gun. And a gun that if needed I wouldn't hesitate to put my faith in to defend myself.

So this "cheaply made craptastic" suits my needs just find. So I fail to understand why I need to shell out more cash for a supposedly "better" gun, when I can use that money for ammo.

Its all about personal preference.

 

[kcshooter]

So far it just this thread you are calling 3 diffrent people either liars or idiots in one way or another.

Don't put words in my mouth, son. Not three, just one.

I find your confrontational attitude most distasteful and unfit for THR. Your type would be better off at glocktalk please I encourage you to take up residence else where.

Glad your opinion holds so much weight. Fortunately, your previous postings speak for you.

What can I say, I liked the style, price points, and innovation offered by Taurus at the time

I can understand that. I've got a pt99 that's actually been outstanding, but I'd be hesitant to try every firearm in their lineup myself also.

My local dealer got several in and has been asking $250-299 for them.

Odd, thats at least a hundred bucks off any one I've seen around here or even on gunbroker for years. Nor have I seen "several" 1927 sistema's in one dealers inventory.

I shoot at local steel matches once a week. Let's assume the count for four stages is 75 rounds which is then multiplied by four weeks, giving a total of 300 rounds a month.

Further, I shoot at least two action-oriented pistol matches each month. For these, assume that each match is about 120 rounds, for a total of 240 rounds a month.

This gives me a rough round count of 540 rounds a month* or 6,480 rounds a year.

If the average Hi-Point needs to be sent back for refurbishment every 5,000 rounds, then that means I'd have to send the weapon back to the factory every 9.25 months.

Please read a bit closer. I never said mine failed or was broke.
You're obviously the typical shooter. Nobody said anything about these being great for competitions. I said a couple times that for someone on a limited budget, you can't find anything comparable for the price.
And do you shoot all 6500 rounds out of one gun? I shoot competitions too, and shoot about 1200rds a month. I do this thru quite a few different guns though, not just one.
When I sent the hi point back at 5000 rounds, it wasn't because it was broken or not working, it was because I was planning to trade it in and I knew they would make it look pretty good. I had no plan on it looking brand spankin new like it did when it got back to me though.
My carbine has over 10,000 rounds thru it, and it's never seen the factory or even a gunsmith. I don't even field strip it, to be honest, I clean it with a brush and swab, spray out the action, and put it away.
As for cultish mentality, my annoyance here is that almost every single poster who trashed them stated in their trashing post they they never owned one, shot one, touched one, but their friend/brother/buddy did, or even just looked at exploded diagrams, and they were crap.

Unexperienced opinions mean squat.

 

[rondog]

COMPNOR hit it on the head, in my opinion. They're great for just FUN guns! I wouldn't buy one for carry duty, home defense duty, competition, or any other serious gun duties, but what's wrong with buying a cheap gun just for FUN shooting? Why can't anybody else grasp that? Doesn't anybody else just do FUN shooting? Like water-filled soda cans, plastic jugs, water balloons, etc.?

Jeez, lighten up people! If you don't WANT one, don't BUY one. Simple as that. No need for this constant spewing of hatred and opinions of disgust about the brand, and treating others like idiots because they had the gall to buy what YOU consider to be an inferior product.

If my H-P carbine shoots accurately and lasts forever, well, goody-goody! If it blows up in my face, I guess I learned a lesson. But myself and all other H-P owners don't need to be constantly looked down on, give it a rest, willya?

And, Oh My God, I own three Rock Island 1911's too. AND a 70-year old Mosin/Nagant rifle. Guess I'm seriously stupid, huh? Somebody save me from myself!

 

[larry starling]

kcshooter
Odd, thats at least a hundred bucks off any one I've seen around here or even on gunbroker for years. Nor have I seen "several" 1927 sistema's in one dealers inventory.

Whats so odd about it. I'm not in your area and my local dealer didn't say where he got them from. I personally don't care if you seen any for that price or not. I bought one and I know what I paid for it. Unless you work for Visa and have access to my account don't question what I paid for a pistol. I don't have a need or a desire to prove anything to you. And FWIW Lipseys was importing several last year and infact they were asking well below 300 for them. So before you accuse some one of something you need to check your facts.

Recently Gander Mountain has been selling them for $250......

Here is a link if you since you don't believe me which I personally could care less about...
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=35769&highlight=sistemas

 

[Eric F]

And do you shoot all 6500 rounds out of one gun?

Yeah why not?

When I sent the hi point back at 5000 rounds, it wasn't because it was broken or not working, it was because I was planning to trade it in and I knew they would make it look pretty good. I had no plan on it looking brand spankin new like it did when it got back to me though

Thats kinda like trading in a Chevett with a new paint job isnt it? I'm glad you got the extra $2 for that trade in with a nice new bright paint job

My carbine has over 10,000 rounds thru it, and it's never seen the factory or even a gunsmith. .

HEY! look you ran more than 6500 through a gun

Unexperienced opinions mean squat.

they sure do! and by the way I dont beleive I am your son.

 

[plexreticle]

Todd Jerrett at one point was running more than 1k a week on 1 gun just for practice thats 52k per year.

Off topic but this caught my eye. This is one serious ammo budget.

 

[Eric F]

Off topic but this caught my eye. This is one serious ammo budget.

Thats called sponsors. I have had the privilage of shooting matches with him several times. That was in the early to mid 90's though and thats about when IDPA really picked up and IPSC droped out of the area.

 

[jws527]

Hi-Point is the Kia of the firearms world. They're ugly and crude but they seem to work and come with an exceptional warranty - however, you still won't get any respect with one.

At $200? Everybody owes it to themselves to look at/consider a Bersa or CZ vz.82 instead.

 

[kcshooter]

Yeah why not? you claim you did with your carbine. Contradicting yourself is fun isnt it? Also look at the Brian Enos site there are plenty of high round count guns people have over there. Todd Jerrett at one point was running more than 1k a week on 1 gun just for practice thats 52k per year.

How have I contradicted myself? I never said my carbine was my only gun that I use in competitions. I never said it was ever used in competitions. I was clarifying that my return of the pistol to hi point had nothing to do with the gun failing, it was still just fine after the 5000 rounds I put thru it, and Justin's 6500rds yearly wouldn't result in him having to return it at that point. There was no wear noticeable, but it looked like a 6 year old gun with 5000 rounds thru it before I sent it off and brand new when it came back. Are you having literacy issues? What does Todd Jarrett have to do with anything?? Could you try to keep up?

Thats kinda like trading in a Chevett with a new paint job isnt it? I'm glad you got the extra $2 for that trade in with a nice new bright paint job

Again, a literacy issue. Read my post. I said I bought it 6 years prior for $125. I traded it in after 6 years and over 5k rounds and got $100 in trade value! How is that a bad thing?? What is your problem?

HEY! look you are contradicting your self. If no one has mentioned it to you, The carbine has always had a better reputation their pistols

Ahh, another literacy issue. You keep using the word "contradicting", I don't think you know what it means. My point was there isn't a set round count for failure. Neither of my hi points ever failed or needed repair. Again, try to keep up.

but this does not explain my experience with them I owned 6 remember that post how do you explain that?

Another literacy issue. Wow, publik edyukashun? Please read it again. I said "almost every single poster". Your "experience" doesn't become excluded by my statement. (Your statements, however, are a whole different story...)

How do you explain the couple of dozen I returned over a 3 year period when I worked at a gun shop?

Two points here. Just a couple dozen thru a gun shop in 3 years doesn't sound like thats proof every gun they ever sold was junk. Two, you were a gun shop employee. You sound like one. I should have known.

Unexperienced opinions mean squat

.

they sure do!

Yes, agreed, they do. Again, note my opinions are all based on my personal experience with these guns.

The company was new and these were out of the first few months of production,

So you are admitting that while they may have gotten a rough start, after they have been in business now for, what, 12 years or more, they may be producing better quality guns than the first few hundred? I mean, they ARE still in business, with a warranty on every gun they've ever made, so I can't imagine every one gets returned 6 times like yours allegedly did.


Eric_F it is obvious at this point your problem is specifically with me. If you'd like to take this out of the public forum, that would be fine, it would keep everyone from having to sort thru your posts where you simply try (unsuccesfully) to insult and berate me. Especially since you just aren't making much sense anymore. However, if you do respond, please try to make sure your responses are congruent with my posts.