Hi-point or Nagant revolver?
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JImbothefiveth
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So, with the nagant revolver, when the hammer is on the safety notch, will just pulling the trigger make it fire, or will I need to fiddle with the hammer?
How big are the nagant, CZ52, TT33, makarov, and hi-point?
I don't think I need something pocket-sized, but I'm guessing I can't conceal a full size. (I don't know, I've never tried to conceal a gun.)
How big are the nagant, CZ52, TT33, makarov, and hi-point?
I don't think I need something pocket-sized, but I'm guessing I can't conceal a full size. (I don't know, I've never tried to conceal a gun.)
Deanimator
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Not a good guess, depending upon how big/fat you are. Lots of people have and continue to conceal full sized M1911s quite well. You can do likewise with a 4" Model 10.
If you are buying a gun to protect your life you really need to spend a little more. For only $275 you can buy a brand new S&W Sigma.
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kcshooter
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I had 5000 rounds thru mine before I traded it off. It was a great gun with very, very few failures thru the entire time I owned it. Have you ever owned one? I always see those who have negative things to say were never actual owners of the brand. It's just fun to bash the cheap stuff, regardless of whether or not you have experience with them.
Too big to have such a limited capacity and too bulky for ccw, IMO, but nothing wrong with them. If you do have a problem, there's a lifetime no-questions-asked warranty. They even repair it if you do something like fire into a squib load. How many other mfgrs can say that? Any? The customer service has a great reputation too.
If you could only afford $150 for a gun, you can't do any better. Beats doing what I se people do all the time, spend $400-$500 on a gun then not be able to afford the ammo to learn to shoot it. I know a guy with a SA GI that has only shot 50 rounds because he can't afford the ammo. Think about how many hundreds of rounds he could already have thru a less expensive gun.
pfc.pennington
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+1 on the FEG PA-63, I paid 145$ and put 1000+ rounds down the barrel, no problems.
woad_yurt
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If it's a choice between only those two, definitely Hi-Point. Ugly but functional. Ever thought about a PA-63? Change one spring (3 spring kit: $12 shipped from Wolf) and you have a very nice, cheap, reliable pistol.
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woad_yurt
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pfc.pennington:
Have you looked into a 11 lb hammer spring from Wolf? It gets rid of that horrible FEG DA trigger in 3 minutes' time.
Have you looked into a 11 lb hammer spring from Wolf? It gets rid of that horrible FEG DA trigger in 3 minutes' time.
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The CZ-52 is about the same size as a 1911. Pretty heavy too, since it's all steel. I wouldn't recommend it for concealed carry, as I feel the safety mechanisms, while adequate for a range gun and even home defense, don't really cut it for CCW.
woad_yurt
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The CZ 52 is big but it's very, very thin for its size. With the right holster, it'll sit concealed on one. Not in a tank top or gym shorts, but in regualar clothes, at least.
pfc.pennington
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woad_yurt No i have not but i plan to when i return to the states. Mine still makes it hard to turn a doorhandle after 100 plus rounds. haha
JImbothefiveth
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I'm going to get a .22 pistol first. I just want something with a little more stoppng power for carry. Ammo costs are not too big of a concern, but I will have to do some reliability testing, and some occasional practice beyond just the .22.
Other than gunbroker, what's a good makarov or tovarov source?
And how's the makarov recoil?
Classicarms.us has CZ-82 which fires the 9x18mm Makarov for $199.95+S&H which includes 2 mags, a cleaning rod, lanyard, and hostler.
That's where I bought mine and will probably buy another from them.
If you're wanting something Polish like a P64 or a PA-63 which is chambered for the same, jgsales has them.
That's where I bought mine and will probably buy another from them.
If you're wanting something Polish like a P64 or a PA-63 which is chambered for the same, jgsales has them.
JImbothefiveth
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Does CZ still make the 82?
JImbothefiveth
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Do you need a C&R license to do that?(I might still get it shipped to an FFL, don't want anyone stealing it off my porch.)
I think this may be one of the better options, the holster pictured looks like even if it prints people will just see a box. But I'm not quite sure $200 is cheap enough, I'll have to see.(I'm allready going to spend 200-300 dollars on the .22.)
I think this may be one of the better options, the holster pictured looks like even if it prints people will just see a box. But I'm not quite sure $200 is cheap enough, I'll have to see.(I'm allready going to spend 200-300 dollars on the .22.)
You do need a C&R License. And it won't be left on the porch, or shouldn't be. Mine was overnighted by UPS and I had to sign for it.
As for not being cheap enough, the P64 or PA-63 aren't substantially cheaper IMO once you figure in everything you're getting.
I don't know if I'd actually use the CZ-82 holster that came with it, but its nice that it comes with something. If you're not really interested in the second mag, jgsales has them for $179.
Of course at that point I guess it would come down to preference between that and a P64.
As for not being cheap enough, the P64 or PA-63 aren't substantially cheaper IMO once you figure in everything you're getting.
I don't know if I'd actually use the CZ-82 holster that came with it, but its nice that it comes with something. If you're not really interested in the second mag, jgsales has them for $179.
Of course at that point I guess it would come down to preference between that and a P64.
JImbothefiveth
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How much would a cleaning kit cost?
And which has bigger grips, the P64 or the CZ-82? They both look like a small pistol to me, maybe a subcompact size. I'm thinking the one with bigger grips will be better shooting, as I can grip it more.
Thanks guys!
And which has bigger grips, the P64 or the CZ-82? They both look like a small pistol to me, maybe a subcompact size. I'm thinking the one with bigger grips will be better shooting, as I can grip it more.
Thanks guys!
AZAndy
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CZ-82 is a double-stack and thus has wider grips than the P-64, PA-63, or Makarov. It's very comfortable.
Deanimator
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I've already said that I've never seen anyone get through an entire magazine without a failure... and you think I would BUY one AFTER that observation?
I've never seen a dead dog chase a stick either... no reason why I shouldn't BUY one to see if MY experience isn't different, I guess...
JImbothefiveth
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Well, I could always pick up an aftermarket cleaning kit. Anyone know of any cheaper makarovs or the like?(I'm not sure if the 82 qualifies as a makarov.)
And does anyone know the pricing on a double stack rock island?
I think I'm going to put the hi-point option on hold, now that I've heard about these makarovs.
And does anyone know the pricing on a double stack rock island?
I think I'm going to put the hi-point option on hold, now that I've heard about these makarovs.
nalioth
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The Cz82 is an improved Makarov design.JImbothefiveth said:
Which means that it's based on a Walther design ( the Russians stole the design from the Germans ).
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Cosmoline
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There is no half cock. It's a double action. There were some single actions ones made, but those were still double action style. The safety is internal, just like other double action revolvers.
The Nagant's big advantages are being extremely rugged, reliable and very accurate. The disadvantages are weird and underpowered ammo. Many of us LOVE them, though. I have a brace of them, one in original and the other with a .32 ACP cylinder.
The size is on par with a S&W Model 10, though the shape is totally different. Not terribly easy to conceal, but certainly possible. If you like them, there are ways to use them for self defense. But if you're just looking for cheap I'd go with old .38 Specials or one of the surplus .32's.
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