Hi-point or Nagant revolver?

[jonmerritt]

All of these people down so hard on a Hi-Point. There cheap. Mine have been fool proof from the word go. Out of the box, I put 100 rounds through my compact 9mm Hi-Point,l non stop empty the mag, slap in another,(bought several mags). 100 rounds of walmarts finest white box 9mm special. It fired every single round, just as it was designed to do, with a couple of flyers, but they all fired and ejected. Not one, stove piped. This was rapid fire, get it hot and see how it handles it. Piece of junk plastic gun, just kept firing. Untill I stopped half way through another box of 100. not enough mags.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

Now what country manufactured the best TT-33s?

 

[tinygnat219]

JR47,

tinygnat, the CZ52s imported in the 1980's were recalled by CAI in the late 1980s, for the problem of firing when decocked. Mine was returned through my dealer, and repaired, for free. It was in the magazines back then,
as well.

Interesting. I am still not going to trust my worn out ones though.

The add-on safeties do work. If they didn't BATFE would have had them banned from import decades ago. They have to sign off on the addition.

Are you serious? The one on my Romanian is beyond an afterthought. It looks like it will fail. I wouldn't trust this one at all.

 

[goon]

Of the two I'd go with the Hi Point. Most of what I read about them is that they actually work.
If I can spend similar money on something else, I'd start shopping around.
Good deals on decent guns do turn up.
I found a Makarov last week for $125 so I'd choose that over either of the original choices.

 

[tinygnat219]

JImbothefiveth,

Now what country manufactured the best TT-33s?

You'd be better off with other choices, especially with the CZ-82. The TT-33s are neat historical guns. These are SA guns that have a short trigger. For the purposes of Self-Defense, one has to have a gun that can get a shot off quickly, and be carried safely. With the TT-33, you give up either one or the other of these requirements. Throw in the fact that the ammo avaiable for these is corrosive ball ammo that's designed to penetrate things and you'd have a problem on your hands in a self-defense scenario. Wolf Gold is the only commonly (somewhat) available SD ammo out there. WIth the 9MM Makarov, there are at least other choices.

 

[goon]

IIRC, there are some small custom firms that load defense ammo for the Tokarev.
I say if you have a reliable one and an extra mag and that's all you can afford, well you could definitely do a lot worse.

 

[Phil DeGraves]

it has a few drawbacks when it comes to self defense, the biggest drawback is that you only can reload like the old fashoned SAA, and it is SLOW.

The likelihood of needing to reload in a SD situation is remote, especially if you are using good tactics. Reloading speed should be a consideration, but not very high on the priority list.

While some people don't like them, obviously, the actual people who OWN them find that they aren't nearly as bad as the NON-OWNERS claim. Funny how that works with just about any brand, and their detractors.

Well, DUH! Of course, people that have had bad experiences with them, won't own them! And people that have had good experiences with them will! The owners that have them and find them to be unreliable, won't be owners for long. You have a remarkable grasp of the obvious.

For that kind of money, get a used .38spl revolver, preferably a S&W or Ruger. If you can't find those in the right price, Taurus and Rossi made okay if not great revolvers for reasonable cost.

 

[fletcher]

Are makarovs still made?

To the best of my knowledge, no (sadly ). The last plant closed down sometime in the last year or two IIRC, but even then, imports of those were fairly limited into the US.

I will add a +1 to the PA-63 and CZ-82 as good, inexpensive carry options.

Another inexpensive option would be a used Beretta 92/96 trade-in. Those things are a dime a dozen around here - you can get one in decent shape, but with a lot of holster wear for just shy of $300.

 

[hceptj]

Hi-Point...owned a 9mm and 45...shot many rounds through both w/o any problems...both are still in the family as hd guns...

...the nagant just doesn't have enough stopping power imo...

 

[krs]

Mastiff wrote:

I carry the TT-33, I love the pistol. I have a conversion barrel and barrel bushing that allows me to shoot 9mm through it. I converted another 9 mm barrel that allows me to fire 9x23 Winchester, which is the ballistic duplicate of the 357 Magnum. It is incredibly thin, it doesn't print when carried concealed. It is basically a simplified version of a John Browning design, and it is incredibly reliable. I've shot over 55,000 rounds of 9mm through a Chinese clone I bought 16 years ago for $89. No problems whatsoever, never had a FTF or FTE.

hey Thanks! That's about the only misurp pistol I've never bought - just seemed like whenever the mood struck me there were none to be found. On your experience I'm gonna' make a point to find one or two of them.

Are barrels, even blank unchambered barrels available someplace? I can chamber my own barrels and I HAVE heard that the action was a strong one.

 

[kcshooter]

Of course, people that have had bad experiences with them, won't own them! And people that have had good experiences with them will! The owners that have them and find them to be unreliable, won't be owners for long. You have a remarkable grasp of the obvious.

And you have an unremarkable ability to comprehend what you read. Pay attention now; those who bash them not only don't own them, they never have. So how could they have any experience one way or another? Duh indeed!!

I'm no longer an owner of a HiPoint pistol, but I still think they are about the best choice for a reliable viable defensive firearm under $200.

 

[Mastiff]

The 9mm barrels and bushings are available from Sarco
http://www.sarcoinc.com/tokp.html , and the barrels from Numrich (I don't know if they have the 9mm Bushing). http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=595100B&chrSuperSKU=595100&MC=
I'm sure there are other places out there. I think you can order parts from http://www.marstar.ca/tokt33s.htm
I was told that the 9mm bushing may not be needed, but mine required it.

 

[goon]

Makarovs aren't still in production but there are still some around.
Watch gunbroker and the classifieds on here and keep checking at the local gun stores in your area.
They still turn up. Usually they'll bring $200 or more. The one I found was priced at $149. I eyed it up for a couple weeks, told a guy on here who was looking for a cheap CCW gun to check into it, informed guys on another forum about it, and then told the manager of the store (my friend) that his price was $50-$100 below what people were paying for them.
He said "I know."
Then I offered them $125 when I was working some other business out with them and they accepted.


Anyhow, just gotta watch for them.

 

[frankcostanza]

If it was me, Id go with the Hi-Point just becasue they are chambered in common calibers. I believe the Nagant ammo is hard to find and expensive.

 

[rdrancher]

Then I offered them $125 when I was working some other business out with them and they accepted.

Why is it never me?




rd

 

[goon]

It's almost never me either - this is the first time I've had this happen.


Strange thing is, there was a guy on here looking for a carry gun for under $250.
I found this one and thought about buying it, then decided not to since I wa buying an SP-101 as soon as I could pick it up.
So I PM'ed that guy and told him where to look and who to call. Even with shipping he probably would have come in under $180.
He replied that 9mm Makarov is too expensive.
OK... but it's only $8 a box at AIM and $11 a box locally. He could have had the gun and a lot of ammo for his $250 budget.
Oh well... I tried.
Anyhow, when I went in and looked it over again I just couldn't pass it up, especially when they agreed to $125.
It even came with an extra magazine and a holster.

I figure I can carry it now and have a reliable, fairly effective, concealable CCW gun that I don't have to worry about using.
Even if I decide to sell it later I'll probably make some $$ on it and it would also make a good gun to give to someone who's in need of a decent handgun if I ever have a friend who's in that situation.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

Reloading speed should be a consideration, but not very high on the priority list.

It might be more of a consideration with the nagant's underpowered ammo.
I think I've pretty much ruled the nagant out. Just for curiosity's sake, I'd like to get this cleared up, is the nagant single or double action?

Now how does the makarov stack up against the hi-point? (I'm guessing the makarov's better.)

I'll have to check out the S&W model 10 too, but am somewhat biased toward an autoloader.

 

[Justin]

I'm sorry, but neither the Hi-Point nor the Nagant would meet my needs for a defensive sidearm.

 

[nalioth]

Just for curiosity's sake, I'd like to get this cleared up, is the nagant single or double action?

They made both. Single actions are rare, though.

I'm sorry, but neither the Hi-Point nor the Nagant would meet my needs for a defensive sidearm.

. . . .but they work great with a 6' kevlar lanyard

 

[macadore]

Just for curiosity's sake, I'd like to get this cleared up, is the nagant single or double action?

There were some of each made.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

I'm sorry, but neither the Hi-Point nor the Nagant would meet my needs for a defensive sidearm

They certainly aren't the best, and I've ruled out the nagant, so now if I can't afford anything better it's probably an old S&W, a police trade in, a makarov, or the hi-point.

The police trade-in might be a bit high though.

 

[slustan83]

You'd be surprised about pd trade ins, or ya may just get lucky. I just picked up a s&w 10-6 w. about 95% original finish, great timing, numbered grips and a fantastic trigger for 215 out the door. It isn't a PD gun, but they are out there.

 

[Deanimator]

You'd be surprised about pd trade ins, or ya may just get lucky. I just picked up a s&w 10-6 w. about 95% original finish, great timing, numbered grips and a fantastic trigger for 215 out the door. It isn't a PD gun, but they are out there.

A couple of years ago I bought a well worn ex-NYPD M&P. The bore and mechanical operation were excellent. It just needed a little timing adjustment and a new set of grips. I wouldn't shoot lots of +P out of it, but I'd trust my life to it, something I'd NEVER say about a Hi Point or a Nagant. I think I paid something like $200 for it.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

How can I tell if it's a police trade-in? Should it be stamped "town of residence police department"?

 

[JImbothefiveth]

And how much do PD trade-in glocks usually run?