High Cap 380acp? and a Glock 380acp?

[coldshot03/04]

Two different subjects here. There is a fellow co-worker that has a Browning 15 rounder 380acp. I have no clue the model or any other details. I just (earlier today) saw him unload 15rds from the gun. Do any of you know anything about High cap 380s?

And A GLOCK 380acp? COOL!!!

 

[MJRW]

I think the BDA is available in a double stack that holds 15 rounds. Not positive though.

Glock 380 isn't anything new. But the odd import regulations with their points system doesn't allow the .380 glocks to import. I have no idea why. It makes absolutely no sense at all. But it is still the case.

 

[Remander]

Re Glock .380

The Glock site says:

"Although they are not marketed in North America, except to law enforcement agencies, because they lack sufficient BATF import points, GLOCK makes two pistols for .380 Auto - the GLOCK 25 and GLOCK 28. These pistols were developed for those countries that forbid the civilian possession of a handgun chambered in a common military caliber."

Me again. The BATF point thing has to do with a number of characteristics. Here is some info from www.glockfaq.com:

What is the BATF points system and how does it affect Glocks?
Many of the Glock's parts and sometimes the whole gun are dictated or limited by the BATF's system of "import points". To qualify for import a pistol must score 75 points based on the following system:

Characteristic Points
Length: for each 1/4" over 6" 1
Forged steel frame 15
Forged HTS alloy frame 20
Unloaded weight w/mag (per oz.) 1
.22 short and .25 auto 0
.22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto 3
9mm parabellum and over 10
Locked breech mechanism 5
Loaded chamber indicator 5
Grip safety 3
Magazine safety 5
Firing pin block or lock 10
External hammer 2
Double action 10
Drift adjustable target sight 5
Click adjustable target sight 10
Target grips 5
Target trigger 2

For example, here is how the G17 scores: Length (7.28") 5
Weight (24.79oz) 25
Caliber (9mm) 10
Locked breech 5
Firing pin block 10
Double action 10
Target sight 10
Target grips 5
Total 80

Here is how the Glock 26 scores: Length (6.29") 1
Weight (21.87oz) 22
Caliber (9mm) 10
Locked breech 5
Firing pin block 10
Double action 10
Target sight 10
Target grips 5
Target trigger 2
Total 75

Changes and features made to Glocks to comply with the BATF rules:
- all models are imported with a cheap click-adjustable rear sight that is replaced at the factory with the stock sight
- target (grooved) trigger added to compacts & subcompacts
- target grips added to all models (required for the subcompacts)
- due to their caliber, .380 autos (G25 & G28) do not score enough points to be imported

For more information, including the point system for revolvers check the rec.guns FAQ at http://www.recguns.com/IIG6.html

 

[ambidextrous1]

The Makarov is available with a double stack magazine in .380 and 9x18; iy holds somewhre aroung 12+1. It's a good gun, the price is right, and ir ain't plastic.

 

[PCRCCW]

Hi Cap .380's......the BDA was a 13 rnd Hi Cap..never heard of a 15 rnd mag for them...but stranger things have happened.

Other Hi Caps include......and are not limited by my knowledge base

CZ83 13 rnds
Bersa 84 13 rnds
Beretta 84 (?) 13 rnds
Taurus 58 13 rnds
Mak 12 rnds
Taurus PT138 10rnds ok..not hi cap, but still double stack
FEG P9 something or other.....around 10+ rnds

ETc....lots of guns..most are not made anymore because of all of the little tiny 9's and 40's....

Shoot well

 

[10-Ring]

For the siz difference, I'd go w/ the Glock 26 or 19 and the more effective caliber.

 

[coldshot03/04]

Oh Im not planning to buy. I was just surprised at a 15rd 380acp.

 

[Cthulhu]

If they can just fit them with adjustables for importation and then remove the sights for stateside, I would have figured that they would have come up with a way to get the .380 caliber Glock imported.
Lets see
Glock 25
Weight (22.51oz) 23
Caliber (.380) 3
Locked breech 5
Firing pin block 10
Double action 10
Target sight 10
Target grips 5
Target Trigger 2
Total 68


Bigger and painted extractor that doubles as a loaded chamber indicator?
5pts, but not enough.
A standard magazine that holds 5 rounds and has a large lead baseplate that extends up to fill the rest of the mag. That should add enough weight to fulfill the requirement. Exchange the mags with conventional ones stateside; problem solved. Seems to be just as legitimate as cheap and easily removed adjustable sights.
Either Glock isn't as sneaky as I am, or they don't import the .380s since they offer little to no advantage over the 9mm Glocks which are the same size and virtually the same weight.

 

[BADSBSNF81]

The Browning BDA 380 was made for Browning by Beretta starting @1976/77. A nickle plated version was offered in 1982.

 

[hksw]

And A GLOCK 380acp? COOL!!!

Now that is a rarity here. I've never actually seen one first hand. Does it lock up like a normal Glock (or other tilt locker) or is the barrel fixed like a normal .380?

 

[Rogelio]

I do own both a Baikal IH71 and a glock 25

Hello guys, I am just posting here so please excuse me if I break any forum rules !

I live in Lima, peru and here the biggest caliber in a ahandgun that you can LEGALLy have is .380 acp., and .38 spl for revolvers. No select fire nor full auto, but thankfully no mag capacity restrictions!!

For that reason, 5 years ago I had to trade in my Beretta 92 FS for a little piece of paper...then I bought my Baikal (What you call Makarov, baikal is the russian name) and it is a great gun, 12 rds in mag and 1 in chamber...13 rounds...
but above all I love my glock, I just had it for 17 months but the gun is actually great!! Yes, the barrel also tilts and it works just as any other glock, the only difference being that this one is blowback operated, not locked breech.

The only things here is recoil..it is kind of nasty in a little plasticky pistol...I just loved my glock 19 (same size, almost same weight..9mm PB bullets are kind of more heavy)

If looking for a Hi capacity .380 go for the makarov..it is a lot more slim that the glock or the beretta cheetah, it is 100% reliable and it wil feed hollowpoints (we can not use those here anyway, we can ONLY use round nose FMJ). Hey, the glock is nice but I just HATE to carry it all day long...the Mak is great for carry, I just use my glock for some recreational shooting whenever I go to the country...there I can get some action!!

I hope you like my post!! My email is [email protected]

 

[Ohen Cepel]

Great explanation on the import rules, thanks!

I was just today wondering why the .380 Glock was a no-go for the states.

 

[gvass]

"FEG P9 something or other.....around 10+ rnds"

FEG B9R

.380 ACP, 15+1 rd., aluminium frame, steel slide, hardchromed barrel.

DA/SA with slide mounted safety/decocker.

Big for its ammo as ALL double stack .380s.

 

[cratz2]

I've heard guys a couple times comment in gunshops about how they wish Glock would sell the 380 here... I think the biggest thing stopping Glock from trying to get them here is lack of a market. If you have two identical sized guns and you can legally own a 9mm, why on earth would you want a 380 instead? The 9mm is very nearly as easy to shoot, cheaper to shoot, more effective...

Again, if comparing a G17 to a KelTec P3AT, I can see the desire for something smaller, but when you have one product the same size as another product but one is clearly and undeniably more effective and cheaper to shoot...

Maybe I just don't get it.

But just so my post isn't entirely negative, is the G28 (or 25 for that matter) marked 'For Law Enforcement Only' or do they just not end up on store shelves? Could a LEO that legally owns a G28 sell it to me?

 

[Marko Kloos]

Does it lock up like a normal Glock (or other tilt locker) or is the barrel fixed like a normal .380?

AFAIK, the .380 Glocks are not locked-breech like the bigger caliber models, but rather straight blowback.

 

[horge]

Well, there's the Bersa Thunder 380 Super in all steel, doublestack mag for 15+1 capacity,

...and all the safety features BERSA saw fit to include

 

[SirVette]

Sounds like the Browning BDA. 13 rd. mag., a nice gun.

BERSA 85 & 86 are double column.



horge
& w/o the safety feature.

 

[Alan Fud]

Browning BDA380 made by Beretta for Browning ...

... 13+1 capacity with factory mags. Some after market mags will take 14 rounds giving you 15 rounds but those mags are less reliable.

Great compact gun. Fits my hand really well and due to it's size, it feels like you're shooting a .22 instead of a .380ACP!

 

[cratz2]

Actually, I thought the 380 Glocks were pretty much EXACTLY the same as their 9mm equilavents except for being chambered in 380 and probably a bit lighter recoil spring.

 

[horge]

Originally posted by cratz2
If you have two identical sized guns and you can legally own a 9mm, why on earth would you want a 380 instead? The 9mm is very nearly as easy to shoot, cheaper to shoot, more effective...

I have to agree with that, since the premise is virtually identical platforms. The easier control of .380 recoil mightn't quite make up for the difference in cartridge stopping potential.


SirVette,

Right-o.
I'm dreading the next BERSA "added safety feature" for the latest incarnations of Thunder 380's. .. though maybe (mercifully) they've run out of real estate to force one in.

 

[SirVette]

If you have two identical sized guns and you can legally own a 9mm, why on earth would you want a 380 instead?

Accuracy, a blowback allows a fixed barrel. Besides a very good 9mm is not the same size.

Bad pic. of BERSA 85