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  1. TheProf

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    I'm thinking of purchasing one ..in .40 or .45 caliber.

    I've read reviews. ..all say good things about reliability.

    I don't care about it being ugly.
    Is it reliable ...as others have reported?
    Will a pistol caliber still be effective to stopping threats up to 100 yards? (The second question is more academic. ... its more for comparison purposes....say versus a long barreled revolver..)
     
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  2. HammsBeer

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    I have the 9mm carbine. I would rate the reliability as 99%. Occational I'll get a fail to feed from the first round of a fresh mag, after that it runs great.

    Accuracy is good with the factory sights, provided you apply mild locktite to the front sight mount and adjustment bolts, I found the recoil eventually loosens them.

    Pistol caliber carbines are very controllable and mild recoil, but it's still a pistol round and no amount of barrel length will make up for the limited powder capacity of the cartridge. For plinking fun and recoil sensitive shooters it's a great choice. If it's for serious defensive use on a ranch against 2 leg or small 4 leg threats I would step up to an intermediate rifle caliber like .223 from an AR or Mini 14.

    Here's a pick of mine in an ATI stock:

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  3. kcofohio
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    I have the older 9mm and last year purchased one new in 40 S&W. Both have been reliable. 25 yards with the ghost sights is the furthest I have tried it out to. It grouped well shooting in the standing position. Have a blast, be safe! :)
     
  4. Gun Master

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    Carbine in Pistol Calibers

    Like in post # 3, I have an older model 9mm (without the front/left hand grip).

    I haven't shot it much lately, but it has been reliable and reasonably accurate. I figured if I were to shoot a 9mm, the longer barrel would be more accurate, and perhaps a little more power that a 4" or 5" pistol.

    Close up I'd choose a 12 gauge (unless a handgun for CCW was needed), next the 9mm, etc. carbine for further distance, then AK-47, SKS, AR-15, etc. for longest distance.

    I keep all 3 (or all 4, if you will), ready at all times, broken down further (specific guns and calibers) for specific individual purposes.:)
     
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    I've had a 4095 for about a year. So far it has been 100% reliable, but I haven't shot it enough to make a final judgement. The accuracy suits my needs for pest control. I chose the 40 cal as it would have more power at 100 yards than a 9mm - and that flat nosed bullet just has to get there to be reasonably effective. It shoots a bit flatter than a 45ACP, so.....
     
  6. rondog

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    Tell us more about these "threats" at 100 yards. Targets, sure. But you'd better reconsider self defense against somebody 100 yards away!
     
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    My brother had a 9mm carbine for maybe 8 months until he sold it to get an AK-74. It had zero malfunctions over 300-500 rounds in that time, it was an ugly but reliable and good shooting gun. :)

    That said, I think a 5.56 or similar caliber is a much much better choice, my AR has less muzzle jump and recoil than the 9mm carbine but with much more range, punch, accuracy, and mag capacity.

    The one overlooked advantage of a pistol caliber carbine? They are really really quiet compared to either a pistol or normal rifle. That 9mm carbine sounded like a .22 and *could* be shot without hearing protection with no discomfort without the benefit of adrenaline. Obviously, that is not recommended or safe. But it's also a pertinent experience.
     
  8. Dean1818

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    My friend bought one a year and a half ago, and its fun to shoot

    But...... I would go with a rifle as well

    I would just understand the intended role of the weapon.

    I have got to a point that all of my weapons have to serve a purpose to stay
     
  9. TheProf

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    The 100 yard question was simply for comparison and was chosen randomly. At point blank range...I suppose the result would be the same for pistol versus carbine. I don't really think that a 100 yard defensive shooting is likely to happen. But I would not say impossible to need. Imagine an active shooter in a wide open ranch situation. Unlikely. ..but could happen. If we all adopt the statistics argument. .. we wouldn't need guns at all for self defense. Afterall... the chances of needing to use one is a once in a lifetime event.
     
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  10. jrdolall

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    2 HP carbines, 9 and 45. Both have been absolutely reliable. I don't have a lot of rounds through the 45 but a few thousand through the 9mm. Reasonably accurate at 25-50 yards and I plan to take it out to 100 yards in a couple of weeks. I do have mine scoped as my eyes suck.

    I think they are good rifles and very good for the "bargain" segment.
     
  11. MedWheeler

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    Carbines in pistol calibers work better for a lot of people than pistols primarily because they're easier to shoot accurately, especially at longer distances.

    However, bullet performance won't increase as much in a longer barrel as it would in a rifle round; pistol rounds tend to be optimized for barrel lengths less than around 12-16 inches, by use of faster-burning powders. If the bullet is still in the barrel when the powder is done with the burn, it can actually slow down.

    Rifle rounds use powders intended to extend the burn long enough to last the entire time the bullet is in the barrel, so that it's being "pushed" right up until it leaves the muzzle.

    Any well-handled firearm is capable of hits out past 100 yards. You'll have an easier time with the carbine than with a pistol, but you'll probably have more energy still behind the bullet if it came from a rifle and rifle round case.

    That being said, there are a lot of reasons to like the Hi-Point carbines. I'd pick one up if I came across a used one for a decent price.

    This lady is glad to have had hers:

    http://www.wxyz.com/news/mom-opens-fire-on-home-invaders-in-detroit-to-defend-children
     
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  12. Sailct41

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    I have taken my .45 carbine out a few times. The trigger is a little wide and feels weird on my finger but all my buddies have been impressed with the accuracy. Cant really go wrong with a $300 dollar 45 carbine. I really like mine and I am not a fan of pistol carbines. Mine came as part of a package deal but I do really like it and I suspect you will too.
     
  13. Dr. A

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    I have a 45 carbine. I got it for my son who was going through a phase... The gun has pretty much only shot reloads loaded with lead primarily intended for my 1911. It shoots relatively accurately (it can lead), and is absolutely reliable. Its got a mushy trigger, and is not ergonomically ideal. It served its purpose. I suppose the worst thing about them is that it doesn't take long to shoot through enough ammo that you have could pay for two of them pretty quickly. I would choose a 9mm the second time around for cheaper plinking. We were able to load up a 255gr. SWC load that went over 1100fps within normal pressure limits. We did kill a hog with that load, and it worked well. I suppose ours has at least 4,000 rounds through it, and still looks new.
     
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    Guess I can drag these photos out again. I have a 4095 carbine in .40 S&W. When I bought it I picked up two boxes of ammo and went to the range. Took the carbine out of it's cardboard box, loaded it up, and started shooting. Each of these targets had one box of 50 shot at it, I can't remember the distance, but it was an indoor range.

    Funny, there was a butch range officer that stood behind me because she wanted to laugh at my crappy gun's impending failure (she was an a-hole). After the first target, she stomped off in disgust, she didn't get her giggles.

    Yeah, there's some flyers, but my fault, I was getting tired of holding it and shooting fast, just wanted to shoot 'em up and leave. Besides, when your bullets just go into the same hole, that's boring. This was right out of the box, with no sight adjustments at all. I did put a piece of masking tape on the front blade so I could see it against the black bullseye though.

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    I'll second the complaint about ammo! I have an HK USC carbine in .45 ACP, and it creates a huge pile of empty brass with disturbing speed!:eek::D
     
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    I've had a 4595 for about 18 months and 2000 rounds. Mine is 99% reliable. I shoot all manner of hand loads through it including semi-wad cutter. I wish I could say it's accurate, mine is not. I've tried irons, red dots and scopes. It's a fun plinker, and because it is extremely reliable a good HD weapon. I've had one mechanical issue, a broken firing pin. The manufacturer is great about their guarantee.
     
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    I have both a 995 and a 4095

    Both have been very reliable. The 995 is an older gun and the 4095 is a new gun. I would feel very comfortable with the 4095 as a HD gun. I can hit reliably out to 100 yards but if you are shooting that far you probably want something a little bigger.
     
  20. Hullraiser

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    I also have a newer 995 and a older 4095. The 40 is fun to shoot , reliable and dead accurate.
    Haven't had time or need to shoot the 9mm, but should be good too. I took it in on some trades. Between the three cal... Go 40s&w IMO
     
  21. B!ngo

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    I was lucky enough to get an MKE AT94 which really 'is' an H&K MP5/94 but built in Turkey at the same plant and on the same machines that they use to build H&K branded MP5's. It's a wonder. I know they are getting 'aged out' but the roller lock is like 'butta'. The smoothest gun I've ever shot and will be a like-long keeper and a hand-down to one of the boys.
    However re the 9mm round, of course when shot through a rifle design it gains some speed and is far easier to point, and most PCC's are smaller and more lightweight than their pure rifle counterparts. But the more I read, the more I realize that the 9mm is not a great round for home protection. Too great a risk of overpenetration.
    I'm not particularly interested in using my firearms for HD/SD (it's a personal thing and doesn't reflect on my perspectives of the many on this site who do so FWIW) but if I did, I would resort to my Tavor. Though it's not completely intuitive, all of the published data and lots of the commentary seems to state that the small/fast .223 has the lowest risk of over-penetration and sheetrock passthrough than most anything. Seems an important consideration for such use.
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  22. Zach S

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    I don't own one, but have shot several by swapping guns at the range. I think the only reasons I dont have one are that I own ARs in 9mm and .45, so I've got my PCCs covered, and I haven't seen a hipoint carbine on the rack when I had the money to burn.

    They were almost as accurate as my ARs and ran 100%. Unlike my ARs they didn't need tuned...
     
  23. Hullraiser

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    I've sold a couple and still have a couple. It's amazing how fast they sell when pot on armslist. The longest it's taken so far is 1 hour. If I see any at a good deals in future,I'll buy them because they're better than money in the bank!
     
  24. Field Tester

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    Self defense can mean more than just 2 legged critters. In fact the OP even states so in their opening questions.

    BTW,
    Nice shooting.
     
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    Cheaper to plink than a Centerfire rifle and if you reload you can work up some decent rounds. High Point has a great warranty to boot. I could never see myself buying one if their handguns, but I can't wait to get one of their carbines.
     
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