Hit this LA Times 2nd Amendment Poll
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ambidextrous1
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Done! The results so far are: 86% agree to individual right to keep & bear;
74% oppose additional California gun laws.
I wish they'd elect representatives the way they vote on polls.
74% oppose additional California gun laws.
I wish they'd elect representatives the way they vote on polls.
Do you believe the 2nd Amendment should protect an individual's right to have a gun?
88.0 %Yes
12.0 %No
1079 total responses
Would you support legislation for stricter gun control in your state?
22.1 %Yes
77.9 %No
1080 total responses
88.0 %Yes
12.0 %No
1079 total responses
Would you support legislation for stricter gun control in your state?
22.1 %Yes
77.9 %No
1080 total responses
Gunnerpalace
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Done,
Solo Flyer
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Voted.Now up to 90% and 80.5%.Great.
Yet we only get 55% of the Supremes.
Yet we only get 55% of the Supremes.
I had trouble getting there so here's the link to copy and paste.
"http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-scotus27-2008jun27,0,6740044.story?vote40442808=1"
"http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-scotus27-2008jun27,0,6740044.story?vote40442808=1"
Big45
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Done. Bowouts for us thus far.
beaucoup ammo
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Got 'er done. Now 90.4% / 81.2%. I feel for you guys living in the PRK. Look at the numbers. Even with our help (remember..from home..not THR, please) the folks are saying what they want and don't want.
Do you know what these polls actually suggest to me? That most people are apathetic, and the majority of people who do care are pro-gun. Obviously enough, people with no interest in the subject will seldom take the time to read an article like this or vote in the attached poll. The anti-gun crowd appears to be a tiny but very vocal minority.
I also get this impression simply from talking to random people. If the subject is broached, most people will make a small comment or two (ranging from "oh, that's nice/cool/great/awesome" to "Well, what's the point of having a gun anyhow?") and then try to change the subject. It just doesn't interest them. Moreover, I've tried in vain to find an active gun board that doesn't obviously cater to a pro-gun/gun owner audience (like this one), and there doesn't seem to be one. Most of the neutral "issues" boards are dominated by the pro-gun crowd. Clearly, most of the people actually interested in the topic are on our side.
Even the numbers support this idea: a very large percentage of American households own a gun (though not necessarily a clear majority, depending upon whose numbers you look at). Does that mean that the rest are vehemently against the idea? Not at all - most of the rest, as I said, are actually just apathetic.
That's what really angers me about our system - it's absolutely dominated by special interests and minority rule. Gun control legislation caters to a very select demographic, but affects us all. Meanwhile, the general public doesn't actively participate, so they do nothing to stop it. If they do get involved, it's usually a result of fear mongering (easier to stir up from an anti-gun perspective for obvious reasons) designed to briefly swell the anti ranks.
I also get this impression simply from talking to random people. If the subject is broached, most people will make a small comment or two (ranging from "oh, that's nice/cool/great/awesome" to "Well, what's the point of having a gun anyhow?") and then try to change the subject. It just doesn't interest them. Moreover, I've tried in vain to find an active gun board that doesn't obviously cater to a pro-gun/gun owner audience (like this one), and there doesn't seem to be one. Most of the neutral "issues" boards are dominated by the pro-gun crowd. Clearly, most of the people actually interested in the topic are on our side.
Even the numbers support this idea: a very large percentage of American households own a gun (though not necessarily a clear majority, depending upon whose numbers you look at). Does that mean that the rest are vehemently against the idea? Not at all - most of the rest, as I said, are actually just apathetic.
That's what really angers me about our system - it's absolutely dominated by special interests and minority rule. Gun control legislation caters to a very select demographic, but affects us all. Meanwhile, the general public doesn't actively participate, so they do nothing to stop it. If they do get involved, it's usually a result of fear mongering (easier to stir up from an anti-gun perspective for obvious reasons) designed to briefly swell the anti ranks.
Librarian
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I think this is spot on.
And the way it really affects us is that the un-interested people can easily be fooled by ill-intended legislators, whatever motivates them (usually getting re-elected). Legislator X claims 'this gun control bill will reduce violent crime' -- who but the interested will research the likely effects and reply 'why do you think that will work? It hasn't worked here, and there, ...' Nonsense claims go unchallenged to the public, and the challenges are ignored by [most of] the legislators.
blackcash88
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Where are you guys seeing the results?
I voted...five times.
I voted...five times.
RTFM
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Do you believe the 2nd Amendment should protect an individual's right to have a gun?
90.5 %
Yes
9.5 %
No
3438 total responses
Would you support legislation for stricter gun control in your state?
19.0 %
Yes
81.0 %
No
3432 total responses
90.5 %
Yes
9.5 %
No
3438 total responses
Would you support legislation for stricter gun control in your state?
19.0 %
Yes
81.0 %
No
3432 total responses
Hk91-762mm
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You guys correct me if Im wrong---
The way to hit a poll is to right click copy the link then clear your browser at the very top of the page By left click and hit deleat then Right click and paste the link there .Hit GO -Then vote on the poll
The reasoning is that if you link straight from the Hiroad web page the poll posters can back track and see the posts came from a progun site -And therefore Declare the poll tampered and tossout the results
If Im wrong let me know !
The way to hit a poll is to right click copy the link then clear your browser at the very top of the page By left click and hit deleat then Right click and paste the link there .Hit GO -Then vote on the poll
The reasoning is that if you link straight from the Hiroad web page the poll posters can back track and see the posts came from a progun site -And therefore Declare the poll tampered and tossout the results
If Im wrong let me know !
justin 561
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They wont, it's kinda sad.
Since when is a pro-gun community not allowed to partake in polls? I don't get what would be tampered about it, I don't see a valid point why it would be invalid from a pro-gun community from voting in a, POLL.
@HK
Yeah, I had a blog once where I could see where people were linking in from, but there has to be a link there to your page - even google searches that got you there will show up.
It's reasonable to assume that if they see a lot of entries from a single URL that they'd invalidate those results (after checking for what type of site the link is from). I've made the mistake of posting a live poll link here in the past, since he posting window automatically converts URLs to links, but it's relatively painless to avoid it. just replace a period "." with the word [dot]:
www[dot]latimes.com/news/nationwo...,6740044.story
People won't be tempted to click on it and will copy and paste, changing back to the original.
Yeah, I had a blog once where I could see where people were linking in from, but there has to be a link there to your page - even google searches that got you there will show up.
It's reasonable to assume that if they see a lot of entries from a single URL that they'd invalidate those results (after checking for what type of site the link is from). I've made the mistake of posting a live poll link here in the past, since he posting window automatically converts URLs to links, but it's relatively painless to avoid it. just replace a period "." with the word [dot]:
www[dot]latimes.com/news/nationwo...,6740044.story
People won't be tempted to click on it and will copy and paste, changing back to the original.
Solo Flyer
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A lot of good commonsense here.
Thank you,Librarian.
BTW,I used to live in Walnut Creek next to you.I hope the area is still beautiful.
blackcash88
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Whoops, shouldn't have voted five times from here, I guess.
Like all internet "polls", I wouldn't call it a valid poll in the first place. You cannot get a random sampling of people by announcing "I 'm collecting opinions about X" because people who are passionate about X will naturally be overrepresented. The whole object of polling is a random sample that can be extrapolated to describe the opinions of a larger group of people.
The problem is that the media does sometimes use them as tools to try to prop up their agenda, so knowing the biases of the people who are being polled is important in evaluating the poll's validity.
I do think it's fun to mess with the pollsters, though, and that's why I participate in these things - because I'm sure they weren't expecting those numbers!
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