Holder Threatens Kansas Over New Gun Laws

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SharpsDressedMan said:
No problem if this holds as law in Kansas; you will be able to have all the machineguns you want to make and own. In Kansas. Just remember that as soon as you want to LEAVE Kansas with them, THAT is when the federal restrictions may/will come into play. It will not fix the interstate restrictions, only those that Kansas and other states (who choose to follow Kansas' lead) draft for INTRASTATE ownership and use.
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Why would ever want to leave a place where you can build your own machine guns? :D

Big ups fellow Kansans! Many pro gun bills have been passed already this year. Thank you Sam Brownback, Kris Kobach, Jerry Moran / Pat Roberts (fighting on capital hill against the UN Arms Treaty) and Patricia Stoneking of the Kansas State Rifle Association for setting the pace for restoring freedom!

Missouri is also trying to pass similar legislation so they need your help too!
 
AND then there's Colorado that is trying to take the authority away from the Sheriff's and give it to the state police after the sheriff's came out against the new gun control laws.
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Any links to substantiate this?
 
Alaska already has a similar law on the books. AS 44.99.500

And, there is currently a bill that has been been passed by both the House and the Senate to amend that law to include firearms held in possession by Alaskans. This bill [ S. 69 ] is now awaiting transmittal to the Governor.
 
I would love for 49 (or is it 56) more states to put the same thing on. tell holder (with all the respect that he's earned so far) to go do anatomically impossible things to himself.
 
I am glad to see that Kansas is standing up to the feds. It's called State's Rights and some believe it trumps the feds. and their infinite "wisdom".
 
If the Kansas actions create the loophole for self manufactured machineguns and other weapons that WOULD fall under federal control IF TRANSFERRED FROM ONE STATE TO ANOTHER, then residents of the state in which they reside and manufacture their own guns would have to KEEP those guns in that state, and would not be able to move and take them with them. Think INTRASTATE vs. INTERSTATE. Interstate would put them under the purview of the federal laws.
 
SharpsDressedMan said:
If the Kansas actions create the loophole for self manufactured machineguns and other weapons that WOULD fall under federal control IF TRANSFERRED FROM ONE STATE TO ANOTHER, then residents of the state in which they reside and manufacture their own guns would have to KEEP those guns in that state, and would not be able to move and take them with them. Think INTRASTATE vs. INTERSTATE. Interstate would put them under the purview of the federal laws.
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That may be true, but this is still a great start.
One step at a time.
At least Kansas is going on the offense now instead of playing defense or caving in like a lot of other states.
 
Oh, I'm all for it. I just wanted to clarify because some people were planning to move to Kansas. Just wanted them to know about the limitations of moving there, and BACK. :uhoh:
 
I wonder if enough states pass this type of legislation if they can establish a sort of reciprocity on gun sales and trade bypassing the fed. IE creating a de facto government inside the US other than the fed. Is this sedition? Or is this the will of the people as intended by the founding fathers? A peaceful way to replace the fed, cutting off the tax dollars. Would it lead to a civil war? All this is hypothetical of course, I wouldn't want to wind up in hotel Obama for an indefinite stay as some other citizens have.
 
"IE creating a de facto government inside the US other than the fed. Is this sedition? Or is this the will of the people as intended by the founding fathers? " NO, it's called a state government, and it has been around awhile.
 
That is correct SharpDressedMan and we have a constitution that was put in place to limit the Feral Govs involvement in states rights. It is supposed to keep the feds from over reach. It seems to be working about as well as gun control does though.
 
Quite frankly

the responses from the 2 Kansas officials gives me hope for our Republic.

They not only understand, but they believe in both the U.S. and State of Kansas constitutions.

And they seem willing to lay it on the line to protect the same.

Well done, Kansas.

Very well damn done.
 
Sharp Dressed Man, I think I was unclear. If lets just say NC and KS both had gun manufacturing protections for interstate sales but the two states ( and others) joined together for the purpose of trading guns that are not blessed by the fed. Just like the reciprocity agreements that many states have with each other for concealed carry. In this case we would have a portion of the country telling the Fed to shove it and keep your goons out of here. In this hypothetical situation ( we can hope the states start taking their rights back, they have is small ways ) could it be viewed as sedition? I'm just feeling exasperated with all the nonsense that has been allowed to happen. Something has to give in our favor.
 
Dan-O said:
Pretty sure that our neighbors to the East (Missouri) are currently working on legislature that pretty much shadows what our governor has already signed. Don't think that Nixon is as pro 2A as Brownback though.
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Yes, HB436. The state House and Senate versions have to be reconciled but it has the votes to override a veto. The challenge now is just to get the bill through the process in the few weeks remaining in the legislative session.

Folks should keep in mind that the end goal of nullification-related bills is not a stand-off between the state and feds but to exert pressure to change the offending law or practice, whether through the courts, the legislature, or elections. In the short term, the nullification law focuses attention on the issue and can give local law enforcement legal cover to protect their citizens but it does not resolve the issue.

Real ID was officially tanked by state nullification, but it just proceeded under the radar (as we see with our recent scandal involving the Department of Revenue and CCW data in Missouri). The Feds even gave state agencies money to break state law. Follow-through at the federal level is critical.
 
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I called and thanked each person (well secretary's) responsible for the passing of this bill, including P. Stoneking. Looks like Ive some more calls to make come Monday, thanking and supporting the great responses to the att gen.
 
UPDATE;

Some forum members may not realize that the Civil War actually began in Kansas and it was so violent the state was nicknamed "Bleeding Kansas."

In 2008 Kansas the Kansas legislature voted to allow civilians to own NFA weapons (machine guns, silencers, short barreled rifles/shotguns) as long as the owners comply with federal law.

Kansas recently passed a law making firearms manufactured in the state immune from Federal laws. It appears this means the NFA is not legal in the state.

Remaining true to it's populist history Kansas Attorney General Kris Kobach isn't backing down on gun rights.

http://www.kansas.com/2013/07/23/2902362/kris-kobach-adds-gun-rights-to.html
 
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Hope they stand strong. Kobach seems like someone who will definitely stand up for People's rights.
 
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