Hollow points illegal ?

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It's the last sentence of this story that has me concerned. Possession of hollow points illegal ? Since when?


IRVINGTON, N.J. (AP) — A gunman shot a driver stopped at a traffic light and killed a pedestrian early Sunday, and the same man may be responsible for the shooting of a police sergeant in his patrol car, authorities said.

The three shootings took place within minutes in the same general area of Irvington, in northern New Jersey, around 3 a.m. Sunday, said Paul Loriquet, Essex County prosecutor's office spokesman.

Police later accused Shaquan Johnson, 27, of Newark of shooting the police officer, and authorities were investigating his possible involvement in the other two shootings.

The gunman first drove up to a vehicle stopped at a traffic light, according to a police news release. He spoke with the driver, a 23-year-old man from Bridgeport, Conn., before shooting him several times.

The gunman continued driving and shot to death Gary Farrar Jr., 22, a Rutgers University student walking on a sidewalk, police said.

A man then passed an Irvington police patrol car, backed up and told the sergeant inside, a 24-year police veteran, that a shooting had just taken place, police said. He then drew his gun and shot the sergeant.

The Connecticut man drove himself to a hospital in Newark, and an ambulance took the sergeant to a hospital. The sergeant was treated and released.

Law enforcers stopped a sport utility vehicle that Johnson was driving at about 9:30 a.m. The vehicle was similar to the one witnesses saw leaving the scene of the officer's shooting, Loriquet said.

Johnson was initially was arrested on drug possession charges but later charged with aggravated assault on a police officer, two weapons offenses and possession of hollow point bullets.
 
Basically, it's illegal to have hollow points loaded in a carry gun for a non-LEO. Having them in the home or at the range is fine, and you can buy them anywhere that sells ammo with no additional hassle, so they aren't exactly 'illegal'. The guy in the article had the extra charge tacked on because he had a gun loaded with HPs on his person.
 
You need to show ID when you buy hollow points, and the shop has to record your name and address.
 
Can you use frangible ammo or corbon pow r balls in N.J.? Technically not hollow points, but would have the same basic effect.
 
wait, so the bullet design that is best suited to SD is illegal?

thats logical... I guess they like people shooting FMJ thru the bad guys and hitting some one else.
 
Perhaps the antigunners DO want you to shoot thru the BG and cause collateral damage--its more reason for them to ban your ball ammo too :barf:
 
Anyone fortunate enough to be granted a carry permit in NJ would be well-advised to use Federal EFMJ (expanding full metal jacket) bullets, or other types of expanding, non-hollow points.
 
@ Geim Druth
Even in NJ you don't have to show ID for HP's although you may be asked to show your Firearms ID card and there is most certainly no requirement to record the details.

Recap on the laws in NJ

HP are legal to buy and own
Legal to take DIRECTLY to or from a range or other legal place to shoot
Legal to use at a range or in your home for SD
Legal to buy over the net or by mail
Frangible rounds are CURRENTLY treated the same as FMJ
Expanding round that are NOT traditional HP are treated the same as FMJ (EFMJ, Glaser etc)
Carriage or ownership of a single HP, even without a firearm is felony so remember to police your vehicle after going to the range

Carry permits in NJ are like the Bigfoot or an honest politician, much rumored, much talked about, rarely if ever seen.
 
Ah but the bigger question is, "does .22 rimfire count?"

If I accidentally leave a bulk pack of 550 rounds of hollow point .22 ammo in my vehicle while in Jersey, does that mean if I'm stopped, I could be charged with 550 counts of felony possession of hollowpoints?

If each count were punishable by, say, five years, that would translate to a 2,750 year prison term, for a $12 box of ammo. Eeek.
 
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I'm just passing along what the guy at the ammo counter at Harry's Army Navy in Robbinsville told me when I questioned him. I was required to show my driver's license to buy 20 ga. slug rounds and he recorded my name and address in a ledger.

At Ray's Sportshop in North Plainfield I am required to show ID and have my name and address recorded when purchasing any rifle ammo, even .22 rimfire.
 
wait, so the bullet design that is best suited to SD is illegal?

thats logical... I guess they like people shooting FMJ thru the bad guys and hitting some one else.

Its not illogical considering the state of NJ does not want you to be able to protect nor defend yourself. In NJ this is not considered a right for the citizenry, excuse me subjects.
 
Geim Druth

This is classic CYA either that or they are confusing the statute section that allows dealer - dealer transfers that need names etc.

If this was actual law then you no one would be able to sell ammunition by mail or on-line to NJ as the retailer would have enormous difficulty in reliably capturing these details.
 
I don't usually buy from either store and maybe I just look like the kind of guy they're leary of selling ammo.

Both times I was wearing a suit and tie, they probably thought I was from Trenton.
 
Ah but the bigger question is, "does .22 rimfire count?"

If I accidentally leave a bulk pack of 550 rounds of hollow point .22 ammo in my vehicle while in Jersey, does that mean if I'm stopped, I could be charged with 550 counts of felony possession of hollowpoints?

If each count were punishable by, say, five years, that would translate to a 2,750 year prison term, for a $12 box of ammo. Eeek.

Ayoob tells a story in one of his articles about a lady being charged $2,000 in fines for EACH round in her revolver... so imagine a bulk 550 pack of .22s?
 
Ah but the bigger question is, "does .22 rimfire count?"

If I accidentally leave a bulk pack of 550 rounds of hollow point .22 ammo in my vehicle while in Jersey, does that mean if I'm stopped, I could be charged with 550 counts of felony possession of hollowpoints?

If each count were punishable by, say, five years, that would translate to a 2,750 year prison term, for a $12 box of ammo. Eeek.
Since it's N.J.? Probably.

"Welcome to N.J. Your Civil Rights can be checked at the door."
 
Ray's Sport Shop has a sign at the ammo counter that cites new state regulations for purchases.

So, even though I wasn't buying any ammo, I asked about the new regulations.

I was told that as of April 1st you need a N.J. Firearms Purchaser ID card to buy any rifle ammunition.
 
Johnson was initially was arrested on drug possession charges but later charged with aggravated assault on a police officer, two weapons offenses and possession of hollow point bullets.

Weapons offenses, but not for shooting two and killing one person earlier? That's pretty sad. NJ must not be a good place for decent people to live.
 
NJ law states that it is the bullet itself that is illegal, so it is possible to be charged with a felony even if you have one of those keychains with an inert round/hp bullet inserted.

If you have questions regarding this law in particular is is 2C: subsection F in the NJ firearms laws.
 
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