Home invasion food for thought.

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This thread jarred a memory from last summer. We had a VERY aggressive group of magazine salesmen (young guys) in the neighborhood. My teenage daughter told me several days earlier that one extremely pushy guy had showed up and refused to leave for a long, long time. This had been pushed away to the back of my mind.

Several days later, I was in the living room watching Oprah after work, like any good conservative outdoor writer at 3 in the afternoon should be doing. All at once, a very old, very beatup Chevy Corsica pulled up into my driveway VERY fast (thank God the kids weren't out there playing basketball) and one of the passengers, a tall white male dressed in shorts and a t-shirt, RAN from the back seat to my side door. My dogs (who aren't overly paranoid) went ballistic. I had my CCW very nearby and unholstered it and put it down the back of my shorts and ran to the door.

Turns out, the kid was just selling magazines, and was the same idiot that my daughter dealt with previously. I gave him a lecture on how someday he's going to jump out of the piece of crap car he was driving, run up to a house where dogs are VERY obviously barking and either be bitten or be facing down the muzzle of a gun. He immediately started arguing with me and I told him that he should really re-think his approach. "These are dangerous times" I told him. He basically told me to F-off, and then left.

The lesson to ME was how quickly things happened even though it was an innocent incident. I don't generally have my CCW that close. If he HAD been a bad guy that day, I would have been okay. But most other days, I would have been taken completely off guard and had to let the dogs deal with him while I retrieved my handgun.

Just some food for thought.

Joel
 
who was it that said a gun is only worth a D@#N is if its loaded and on your person?

Just another reference proving it is a fine line between "overzealous salesmen" and potential home invaders.
 
Food for thought:

A lot of the adults who do magazine sales have a criminal record that keeps them from qualifying for other jobs. I don't think I need to tell you how bad your criminal record needs to be to not be able to get a job at Wendys. We had a rash of several burglaries that were from magazine sales folk. They would use their sales routes through apartment complexes to determine who was home when, and come back the next day or two and hit apartments where folks where at work.

-Jenrick
 
Alot of municipalities have permit laws requiring these 'salesman' to be registered and have a permit. I would find out if your city/borough/county/township has such a regulation and if so, report the activity to the police.
 
Another fine example of why I go about my daily business at home armed. I'll show this one to the wife the next time she rolls her eyes at me.
 
The handguns advantage is that it can be worn. Its purpose is defensive and reactive to stop a fight someone else starts. If you know there is going to be a fight you should acquire something bigger and more powerful than a pistol. The pistol loses its advantage when we don't wear it all the time (or it is not avalable at arms reach - ie bedside table at night).

I to will show this to my wife.
 
There's an old rural saying- "Good fences make good neighbors." Good fences with good gates keep lots'o'potential problems at bay, too. No one is getting within 50 yards of our house unless one of us invites them in, or unless they commit deliberate and obvious trespass (climbing over the NO TRESPASSING sign). The four-legged self-mobile canine security systems come into play when anyone even gets close to fence or gates, and so far that's been sufficient to discourage anyone from pressing their luck.

Some folks will say, "I'm not locking myself into a cage for anybody." All I can say is, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks. Your home security starts at your property line. How you handle it is up to you. If your place looks like it's more trouble to get into than it's worth, the predators will almost certainly go on to easier pickins'. There are plenty of folks out there who don't worry about such things, who offer predators an appetizing buffet because it's "too much trouble" to secure their homes better.

lpl/nc
 
Food for thought.......

Who is to say this "magazine salesman" was not casing your home earlier, and had come back better prepared for your teenage daughter when he found you instead?

His manner is not what one would expect, and he had been refused sales earlier. He should not have returned. I would report his activities to law enforcement. Did you get a license plate number?
 
Who is to say this "magazine salesman" was not casing your home earlier, and had come back better prepared for your teenage daughter when he found you instead?

I was thinking the same thing when reading the OP
 
His manner is not what one would expect, and he had been refused sales earlier. He should not have returned. I would report his activities to law enforcement. Did you get a license plate number?

Xavier, and CZ, yes I did get the license plate (this was more than a year ago and I have no idea where that slip of paper is now). However the "oh, crap...I'm just over-reacting" mindset kicked in and I did not call the police, though I came very close. You know, "18-20 year old guy selling magazines...the cops will laugh at me". In retrospect, I should have called. I didn't think of the "casing the joint" scenario until much later.

Live and learn. That's what this forum is for, I guess.

Joel
 
Had some 20-somethings in obvious 'city folk'* clothes supposedly selling steaks use similar tactics earlier this spring- van rapidly stops and they scatter to doors, attempting to peek inside if no answer. I unnerved them by going to a window and jotting down plates and descriptions. They loaded backup and hauled off. I did not answer the door, but they could see me in the window with a note pad and pen.

* small rural town, they were wearing hooded leather coats in May, Very out of place. The truck had MN plates, this was 15 miles in from the border at @ 11:00 AM on a week day.

Yes, I had my snubbie carried SOB.
 
Glad everything went alright. I had a similar experience about a month ago.

I had a YWM, late 20's/early 30's, show up at my door carrying a spray bottle, a rag, and some sort of thick man-purse thingy packed with papers. This guy was dressed like he was working at a car wash, drying cars for a living. He was covered with tats, baggy clothes, ballcap, sneakers, nothing nice. Looks like a thug... let's see what he wants. (BTW, I live on a dead-end quite a ways from town and this guy is on foot.)

He rings the doorbell, and as my 6 year old runs for the door, I intercept her, and tell her to go to the living room and play with her little sister. I unlock and open the door but I leave the solid glass storm-door locked. He smiles and holds up a laminated colored piece of construction paper with a bunch of writing on it, and tells me through the door that he was selling products for college. As I shake my head no, he starts spraying down all the glass on my storm door with whatever was in the bottle, then whips out the rag and starts cleaning my storm-door.

I felt like I just wheeled up to a stoplight back in Brooklyn, and now some bum is washing my windshield. Keep in mind, that this guy is pitching the whole time he's cleaning, about what a great cleaner this was...that it can be used on anything...that it won't streak. This is a very heavy duty glass door and it is difficult to talk through it, but he sure is trying. (it's about 4 in the afternoon on a weekday and my neighbors are usually around, though I see noone at the moment. I'm still trying to figure in my head where his vehicle was, and why it was not with him.)

I unlock the storm door and step one foot out onto the porch since this guy doesn't seem threatening, just persistent. He then starts wiping his hands all over the freshly washed glass trying to get it to smear, making alot of irritating squeeking noises and generally just irritating me, that this guy has his hands all over my stuff with out asking. I tell him that "I am not interested" and shake my head no. He then starts to tell me about all the little black specks that I get all over my cars, and that this will work awesome on them. He steps off the porch and down the steps toward the cars. I state louder that "I am not interested",(thinking, maybe he didn't hear it the first time). Then he says, "You don't want to come see what this can do to all the little black specks?" Holding his arms out motioning for me to leave the house and follow him to the cars. I say, shaking my head "no" again, "I am Really not interested, my wife buys all of that stuff and she isn't available". I'm thinking, if I want "" ing glass cleaner I'll get some more at the store.

As he turns and humphs down the driveway, he turns around 4 or 5 times to glare and stare at me and also the cars. Then walks down the road stopping at no other neighbors houses. I left <10 minutes later to take my kids over to my cousin's house (where we were headed anyway). I figured I would get a plate number/vehicle description but never saw him or a vehicle all the way to town. Strange to say the least. I felt very uneasy when he tried to get me to follow him out, after saying "no" in so many different ways.

I did have my 1911 on me, owb under a t-shirt. It was nice to have it on me, and not be taken off guard, even if this man's visit was legit. It was just a good feeling to know that I wouldn't have to run and go get anything. My "toolbelt" was straped on.:scrutiny: Experience and true stories gleaned from THR have helped reinforce in me the duty to ensure my family's and my own safety. I have been much more concious of carrying at home and this unwanted solicitation and stories like yours' have helped reinforce my mindset of being prepared. I have been lucky for so long. Glad to have met another someone I didn't have to kill. Everyone be safe.
 
As I've stated on other threads, I don't open the door to strangers anymore.

I go out a door on the opposite side of the house and come around the corner to see who it is - always with my sidearm, might even have a long gun in my hands as well.

We hardly ever get unexpected or unknown visitors. Most people call before they come over.
 
Front Porch Trespassing, Country Style

I heard my dogs barking outside & saw a flash of someone moving across my front porch. I waited for the knock...but there never was one. I moved to get a better view of the outside & saw my neighbor swiftly walking back down the driveway toward his house. I peeked onto the front porch & there was a BIG bag of home-grown tomatos, fresh squash & a dozen ears of sweet corn. AND I KNOW WHY HE WAS BEING SO SNEAKY!

This time of year everybody's garden is RUNNING OVER with tomatos, squash & corn. Everyone's giving it away to EVERYONE ELSE. If you don't lock your car doors at church...there'll be a surprise sack of fresh vegetables on the front seat when you come out! If my neighbor had ASKED me if I WANTED the stuff, I would have told him - no thanks, we've got more than enough already. He then would've had to hunt down someone ELSE to give it to. Ya' see, we country folks don't really mind if YOU throw it away. We just can't stand to GROW it...and throw it away ourselves.

Man-oh-man, do I LOVE living in the country. Y'all be careful.
 
Never have a problem at our house - the barking of the dogs usually has them do a quick 180 and move on down the road.
 
A couple of years ago we had a problem with the homeless in our area. One guy would come up to the back door of houses and try to open the door. We always keep all the doors locked. When I heard the screen door open I went to see what was going on and the homeless guy at the door was demanding a drink of water and trying to open the door. Showing him I was armed changed his attitude real fast and he left as my wife was calling the police.
I must say it was pretty scary that the guy went into my backyard to get to the back door. The police caught up with him and chased him out of the neighborhood. After talking with some of the others in the neighborhood he had been doing this for most of the winter.
 
A "No Soliciting" sign will clear out most (not all) of the legitimate sales folk. We live in the exurbs and we don't get much door-to-door. Three dogs and a couple dog signs also warns the riff-raff. Friends get barked at by the chow, but the silent huskies seem to be more intimidating.
 
Noxx said:
Another fine example of why I go about my daily business at home armed. I'll show this one to the wife the next time she rolls her eyes at me.

My wife is no longer rolling her eyes at me after the most recent awful (Cheshire, CT) home invasion/rape/torture/murder/arson.

BTW, I'm loving my Smartcarry (thunderwear) for home CCW over skivvies or shorts.
 
Its been a good while since the last salesman here at home. Work is a different story. Funny thing is they insist they are not soliciting. I've come close to hand to hand combat trying to get them out of the building. I'm 57 now ...I'm turning the "solicitor patrol" over to some of the younger co-workers. I'll hold the door open while they throw the bums out! :D

Mark.
 
We have had a number of home invasions here latly. My wife was home alone with our 3 year old when some "salesman" came to the door. We have a large Rhodesian Ridgeback dor 110lbs. My wife got her gun but the dog had beaten her to the door and would not let her get near the door, he stayed between her and the door no matter what she did. The guy came up with some story but soon left when it became clear he would become dog food if the door was open no matter his reason for being there. but things can happen fast.
 
I heard my dogs barking outside & saw a flash of someone moving across my front porch. I waited for the knock...but there never was one. I moved to get a better view of the outside & saw my neighbor swiftly walking back down the driveway toward his house. I peeked onto the front porch & there was a BIG bag of home-grown tomatos, fresh squash & a dozen ears of sweet corn. AND I KNOW WHY HE WAS BEING SO SNEAKY!

I was told once thats why they have locks on the doors in Maine. So people don't break into your house and give you zucchini. Btw...anyone want some Zucchini? I have a ton of this I can't get rid of.
 
"Hi, I have been clean and sober for six months, thanks to XXXXX. Would you like to help our ministry by buying a magazine subscription?"

About every three months we'd get those folks. "No, I won't let you into my house to fill out the paperwork and pay you." Heck, I schedule appointments with insurance agents at the local Starbucks to keep them out of the house. That visit six months later at 2am from whomever might have gotten a tip from a legitimate person.
 
Let em grow.

About 18" or so. Then take them out to the woods, drill a small hole with a pocket knife and poor water in till they won't take any more.

Step WAY back, and shoot! Fun to blow up, and you don't have to bring the trash back. The animals will eat it for you.
 
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