Home Security - Window Film

[JMusic]

Aimo that may be the same stuff they put windshields in with. If it is its not as easy as caulking to install but it has great weather resistance and drys Hard! I have questions for you. As I said earlier I put Shatter Guard in our facility. They insist on using their trained contractors to satisfy the
warranty. It goes on about like a decal from what I could see.

They are pricey. Our purpose was to deter someone from getting in even if he shot a few holes in it. Work place violence coming from the outside was our concern. The people were very quick, polite people but they were just the installers. Our local people in my opinion could have done the work. And my local people told me the barrier stuff is mostly the same just different mill thickness.

What is this barrier film made of. I use all types of film in our business but I don't know the composition of your stuff. Buying films, I know that one mill will have many customers and many of the competing film companies get the same stuff,just call it something different. They also make specialized films with less volume. But only run it once a quarter or so. Can you say how you guys handle that and what the film is called?

I know some of this may be a corporate secret but if you could email me these answers I'd appreciate it.



Jim

 

[Pieceofmind2100]

Shatter Safe Really?

Needless to say Shatter Safe is having friends and associates post favorable
postings in this forum.

I mention some product I purchased and the fact I am happy. And then some person Almo who is personally associated with Shatter Safe
slams ShatterGARD- BurglarGARD

That is an example of "how not to run a business"

 

[Pieceofmind2100]

This entire thread should be pulled down.
The Moderator should do the right thing!

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

Speaking of doing the right thing, Pieceofmind2100, would you mind clarifying your relationship with shattergard.com?

 

[SkaerE]

FWIW I don't see anyone singing Shattersafe praises. But maybe we're following different threads.

Al, does your film have the peel and stick pressure activated adhesive or the water activated type? how about yours pieceofmind2100?

do either of you see benefits one over the other?

on a side note, its pretty odd to demand things as a brand new member who just joined in to this discussion and has only offered up "hey, use shattergard" makes eyebrows go up im sure...

 

[sheepdog]

...it's hard to make a decision when both sources of information obviously have THEIR best interests at heart rather than ours...the infighting needs to stop if we're going to get benefit from this thread...

 

[Fred Fuller]

This entire thread should be pulled down.

No, I think we need to make sure everyone who's participated in the thread comes clean as to their financial relationship or employment status (if any) with any of the companies/products mentioned here. At that point we can determine how to proceed.

No matter what, anyone considering the purchase or use of any security product should do their own due diligence in advance of such a purchase, and not depend on any single source of information in making a purchase decision. Buyer beware...

lpl

 

[almo]

Ok Pieceofmind...... I don't care where you got your product from, I really don't. I am not slamming any company because I simply don't want to get my company sued by anyone. The fact that you have security window film is a good thing!.. The fact that you probably paid wayyyyy too much is your problem and not anyone else's. Generally when I buy something I get at least 2 or 3 quotes and make certain that every claim can be backed up in one form or another so that I know I am dealing with an upfront company that sells the product and not the sizzle.

Want the truth" Start asking ANY company for hard proof that will back up their claims. SOME companies, when I have asked for proof of claims, they have never responded or when they did respond, their rookie salesman happened by mistake to include the copy of what their boss emailed him. ( Yes, I still have the email). I asked for specifics on the claims a and the the bosses advise to the salesman.... "be very careful on how you answer" and I got a rambling answer.

Ok.. ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP.....


Glue vs. dry application.

We only use wet application method for applying the film to the glass as it forms a chemical bond with the glass. The only experience I have had with dry application was from a company that produced the film in India. It was ok and went on pretty well, but it seemed to peel off pretty easily.

Once our films ( and most security films) are applied, they are a biotch to get off. Are you sure you are not talking about wet attachment system vs. dry attachment ( mechanical).

Want to pay less for virtually the same product? Come talk to me.

 

[almo]

Lee.... You said in a couple of sentences very nicely what I rambled on about.

BUYER BEWARE! LOL.. thanks man.

Al
Gone back to edit my thread so I don't get sued.

 

[SkaerE]

Are you sure you are not talking about wet attachment system vs. dry attachment ( mechanical)

well, i dont know. explain the difference and i will tell you. I have seen some films that instruct the installer to apply soap and water to the window before application of the film then squeegy out the fluid while applying the film. I believe i have some from Hanita that is more of a peel and stick.

 

[almo]

You are referring to the glue, or lack thereof.

We have not applied the Hanita films from Israel. I do know though that it is a good product.

Time to continue with my day.

 

[JMusic]

I asked you questions almo where's the answers. I sell none of this but I am interested in application, material, and if you put a couple rounds in it can you then kick it out.



Jim

 

[almo]

Hey Jim.....

FIRST.. keep in mind I am a "shoot from the hip" kinda guy.


If I don't answer your questions right away, don't get pissed at me. I'm not some dude standing around at WalMart or Home Depot answering questions so uh.. what can I say but.... relax bud.. If I don't answer a question within a day or two.. who really gives a flying fiddlers fart. As for your questions or statements, it's kinda tough to figure out exactly what it is you are asking. I am a simple person and point form questions work best for me.

I do see the question you just posed about "putting a couple of rounds in it"...... Shatter Safe Security Window Films has never claimed, and never will claim that our products are bullet proof, they are only bullet resistant to certain degrees.

Kicking the film out has nothing to do with the film itself it you are referring to the edges being kicked in. Edge failure is due to lack of a wet glaze, or mechanical attachment system. Kicking the glass and film in when there are 3 or 4 rounds around a specific area is possible depending on one major factor. HOW THICK IS THE GLASS. If the glass in question is regular house glass that is 1/8th of an inch thick, or commercial glass that is slightly thicker, then one of two things have happened. If you were on the other side of the glass, you are probably dead and you won't need to care if the film and glass get's kicked in. The other thing that has happened is you have probably crapped your pants, and by now if the guy has missed, ( and he probably has).. you better defend yourself, get to a safe room, or run like hell.

There are some window film companies that will try and convince you that there thick films... (12 mil, 14.16. 21 mil) will stop a bullet or bullets. It's crap, and if you trust that information you will get injured or worse. The film must be attached to AT LEAST 1/4 inch thick annealed glass, and the film can be as thin as 4mil ( SSF-004) or 7 mil ( SSF-007). The key is the glass.. the film is secondary. If a company say's to you that their window film will stop a .22 round or more at a stand off of 25 feet with their film on regular house glass, or automobile glass..... tell them to stand behind the glass while you take your shot. I bet you $100.00 USD that they will back down from the claim and tell you that you need thicker glass to be effective. Trust me on this one.....

If you have other questions, post em, or email them, or PM them and I will get to answering them when I remember to open this up and get around to answering them.

Cheers.

Al


Are you in the market to buy more film?

If yes, then drop me an email or a private message and I will offer up some spec's and pricing if you know how much film you require. Spec for Spec, I will save you money.

If you are not buying more film...then...... what's the point

 

[Fred Fuller]

Folks,

Personal transactions are properly handled via PM (private message), not out on the open forum. If you want to transact business, please take it private.

lpl

 

[almo]

Hey Lee.

that's exactly what I have suggested.

Moving ::::::::::::::::::::::::::: forward

 

[almo]

Well this conversation seems to have ended. That was fun!

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

Well, as Pieceofmind2100 hasn't replied, those who were following this thread might want to go to their favorite search engine and type in that member name along with shattergard.com. The results are interesting and explain much.

The focus of this thread, however, is the use of window film. Let's limit future posts to that.

 

[almo]

I agree Jorg.

Let's move forward.

I have over 20 years hand on experience with home and business security systems and building hardening. If you have any general questions regarding security, be it Shatter Resistant Shatter Safe films, or security in general, post them and I will do my best to offer some basic free advise.

Merry Christmas one and all!