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picked up a box of 9mm Luger 115 gr last week, not knowing much about it. But after several tries to find Remington 124 gr. Golden Saber I figured I would give the Hornady a try.
Was surprised to see the article in the latest issue of American Rifleman comparing Hornady Critical Defense to the new Winchester Supreme Elite.
What interested me was that Hornady seems to have deliberately taken a different direction and is not designing to the rigorous FBI tech. requirements, but rather to the concealed carry personal defense crowd.
The big difference being penetration... and the FBI requirements to penetrate cover materials (two plates of sheet metal, two layers of 1/2" sheet rock, 1/4" safety glass, etc...) and then still go through heavy clothing and achieve a minimum penetration of 12" into the ballistic gelatin.
If you're in a gun fight and with a BG and it is your job/duty to bring the perp. down, then all of this is very desirable.
But for Joe Citizen seeking concealed carry for personal defense, these requirements could actually cause more of a problem than a benefit (at least in my small mind) where over penetration and collateral damage is definitely a concern. Furthermore, Joe Citizen is likely going to have a difficult time justifying the use of force when the threat is hiding behind wall, or driving away in a car.
Hornady seems to realize that more isn't always better. And that with the latest in hollow point design, getting complete expansion (even when shooting through heavy clothing) and retaining mass is achievable with less mass and less pressure (i.e. recoil and muzzle flash).
Faster follow up shots that still get the personal defense job done and less risk of errant rounds causing damage to unseen targets sounds like a very good trade off for Joe Citizen.
Winchester's new round will surely keep them in the good graces of LEO agencies, and I'm glad they will have it available to them..... but I'm thinking that the Hornady is a better choice for me.
Any other thoughts or perspectives out there???
Was surprised to see the article in the latest issue of American Rifleman comparing Hornady Critical Defense to the new Winchester Supreme Elite.
What interested me was that Hornady seems to have deliberately taken a different direction and is not designing to the rigorous FBI tech. requirements, but rather to the concealed carry personal defense crowd.
The big difference being penetration... and the FBI requirements to penetrate cover materials (two plates of sheet metal, two layers of 1/2" sheet rock, 1/4" safety glass, etc...) and then still go through heavy clothing and achieve a minimum penetration of 12" into the ballistic gelatin.
If you're in a gun fight and with a BG and it is your job/duty to bring the perp. down, then all of this is very desirable.
But for Joe Citizen seeking concealed carry for personal defense, these requirements could actually cause more of a problem than a benefit (at least in my small mind) where over penetration and collateral damage is definitely a concern. Furthermore, Joe Citizen is likely going to have a difficult time justifying the use of force when the threat is hiding behind wall, or driving away in a car.
Hornady seems to realize that more isn't always better. And that with the latest in hollow point design, getting complete expansion (even when shooting through heavy clothing) and retaining mass is achievable with less mass and less pressure (i.e. recoil and muzzle flash).
Faster follow up shots that still get the personal defense job done and less risk of errant rounds causing damage to unseen targets sounds like a very good trade off for Joe Citizen.
Winchester's new round will surely keep them in the good graces of LEO agencies, and I'm glad they will have it available to them..... but I'm thinking that the Hornady is a better choice for me.
Any other thoughts or perspectives out there???