cracked butt
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Sometimes rules and regulations need to be in place to keep ignorant people from unwittingly harming others.
House approves National ID card
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alan
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All:
If you go to thomas.loc.gov, you can read the text of H.R. 418. Having done that, you will likely note the dangerously openended nature of this legislation, where a political appointee is granted very broad powers and authority, that person being the boss of Homeland Scecurity, whomever at any gien time that person might be.
Re this, allow me to refresh your memory, with regard to wording contained in The Gun Control Act of 1968, which you are all aware of. "and the secretary, or his delegate shall promulgate regulations ...". Sound familiar?
Just think on all the truly glorious and worderful things that that turn of phrase brought to the law abiding citizen gun owners of this country. Want to go to that sort of party again, on a broader scale?
If you don't, remember that your senators might be interested in hearing from you, their constituents. Sometimes small efforts reap large rewards, and beside that, you already paid for Internet service. If you prefer the telephone, the toll free phone number for Capitol Switchborad is 1-888-508-2974. The ladies and gentlemen who answer the phones are happy to connect you to whichever congressional or senate office you ask for.
If you go to thomas.loc.gov, you can read the text of H.R. 418. Having done that, you will likely note the dangerously openended nature of this legislation, where a political appointee is granted very broad powers and authority, that person being the boss of Homeland Scecurity, whomever at any gien time that person might be.
Re this, allow me to refresh your memory, with regard to wording contained in The Gun Control Act of 1968, which you are all aware of. "and the secretary, or his delegate shall promulgate regulations ...". Sound familiar?
Just think on all the truly glorious and worderful things that that turn of phrase brought to the law abiding citizen gun owners of this country. Want to go to that sort of party again, on a broader scale?
If you don't, remember that your senators might be interested in hearing from you, their constituents. Sometimes small efforts reap large rewards, and beside that, you already paid for Internet service. If you prefer the telephone, the toll free phone number for Capitol Switchborad is 1-888-508-2974. The ladies and gentlemen who answer the phones are happy to connect you to whichever congressional or senate office you ask for.
dustind
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What would alit cigarette do? There is nothing transported by truck that is so volitile that you can not smoke near the truck. The truck itself would set off whatever it was carrying if it was. Carrying most hazardus material is easy, depending on the substance and quantity.
I also do not see how this will affect terrorists one bit. Having ID has not been a problem. We can not secure our borders, terrorists can easily flow in through the east or west coat, Canada, or Mexico without any real trouble. They can also get citizenship pretty easily.
cracked butt
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The problem is, DustinD, is that people always overestimate their intelligence.
So a tanker full of flammables sits unattended and the man ASSumes that nothing has changed with the tanker and that it hasn't been tampered with.
I have worked with people who had made simple ASSumptions like this. Have you ever visited a person in a burn ward? A hospital that has a burn ward has the most hellish place on Earth. They smell like burning flesh, kind of like burnt pork.They also smell of strong antiseptic and decay. A lot of the people who go into a burn ward won't live, many are in such incredible pain, that they wish they were dead. There are people who are either heavily drugged or are moaning and screaming and horribly disfigured.
I've visited two coworkers over the years that spent time in the burn ward. Both made ASSumptions to fill in a void of their knowledge base, both got horribly burned in an instant.
Hre's some pictures of burns for your viewing pleasure.
http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/BurnWound/part_vi.htm
Now I can almost gree with the normal looneytarian types who don't want government to prevent them from hurting themselves, but ignorance often harms others who are innocent bystanders.
Government regulations are put in place to make sure that everyone has the knowledge and training available that was often times hard won by past incidents, as well as licensing to make sure that people are competent and follow those rules and regulations. Thinking that you can do whatever the hell you want on a public road without training and licensing is a very immature attitude.
Back on topic, finally, I see no problem whatsoever with having photo I.Ds standardized. There is reams of information on people in the hands of government already from birth certificate to death certificate, that it makes no sense in keeping a vast bureaucracy to keep track of it all when everything can be accessed much more easily. Forging an I.D. that would contain all of your information would not be as easily done as faking a D.L. as some people tried to put it. The sooner this is done, the better.
So a tanker full of flammables sits unattended and the man ASSumes that nothing has changed with the tanker and that it hasn't been tampered with.
I have worked with people who had made simple ASSumptions like this. Have you ever visited a person in a burn ward? A hospital that has a burn ward has the most hellish place on Earth. They smell like burning flesh, kind of like burnt pork.They also smell of strong antiseptic and decay. A lot of the people who go into a burn ward won't live, many are in such incredible pain, that they wish they were dead. There are people who are either heavily drugged or are moaning and screaming and horribly disfigured.
I've visited two coworkers over the years that spent time in the burn ward. Both made ASSumptions to fill in a void of their knowledge base, both got horribly burned in an instant.
Hre's some pictures of burns for your viewing pleasure.
http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/BurnWound/part_vi.htm
Now I can almost gree with the normal looneytarian types who don't want government to prevent them from hurting themselves, but ignorance often harms others who are innocent bystanders.
Government regulations are put in place to make sure that everyone has the knowledge and training available that was often times hard won by past incidents, as well as licensing to make sure that people are competent and follow those rules and regulations. Thinking that you can do whatever the hell you want on a public road without training and licensing is a very immature attitude.
Back on topic, finally, I see no problem whatsoever with having photo I.Ds standardized. There is reams of information on people in the hands of government already from birth certificate to death certificate, that it makes no sense in keeping a vast bureaucracy to keep track of it all when everything can be accessed much more easily. Forging an I.D. that would contain all of your information would not be as easily done as faking a D.L. as some people tried to put it. The sooner this is done, the better.
alan
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cracked butt:
You sound like a hard headed, realistic type. Re this, and your reference to that "vast bureaucracy", do you realistically expect to see it reduced?
You sound like a hard headed, realistic type. Re this, and your reference to that "vast bureaucracy", do you realistically expect to see it reduced?
Art Eatman
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For all that I'm in accord with most Libertarian ideas, I don't figure it would work in the real world on account of it demands too much personal responsibility for the consequences of one's own decisions and action.
I feel I'm stuck with what society at large thinks is Good, and that includes Guvmint regulations. I've been arguing against a lot of government meddling for over forty years, and mostly all I get is either hostility or blank looks.
In this world that the great majority of all people have voted for, driving is a privilege, not a right. It doesn't matter what my opinion is. "Privilege" is the operative word. Having a license is an absolute requirement, unless I want to spend a lot of time in some courtroom--and I don't want to.
I found that it's pointless to get emotional about this sort of issue. Doesn't do any good. The only thing that helps, as I've said before at TFL and here is to get involved in politics and find candidates who share your views and do all the scut work needed to get them elected.
Whether it's gun control, national ID or RFIDs or whatever, it's all about politics and how people vote. Either get involved or resign yourself to being just another keyboard commando on the Internet, preaching to a couch-potato choir.
Whadda we got here, some 15,000 members? Imagine 15,000 Jim March type activists in the various arenas of politics...
(As usual, if the shoe don't fit, don't wear it.)
, Art
I feel I'm stuck with what society at large thinks is Good, and that includes Guvmint regulations. I've been arguing against a lot of government meddling for over forty years, and mostly all I get is either hostility or blank looks.
In this world that the great majority of all people have voted for, driving is a privilege, not a right. It doesn't matter what my opinion is. "Privilege" is the operative word. Having a license is an absolute requirement, unless I want to spend a lot of time in some courtroom--and I don't want to.
I found that it's pointless to get emotional about this sort of issue. Doesn't do any good. The only thing that helps, as I've said before at TFL and here is to get involved in politics and find candidates who share your views and do all the scut work needed to get them elected.
Whether it's gun control, national ID or RFIDs or whatever, it's all about politics and how people vote. Either get involved or resign yourself to being just another keyboard commando on the Internet, preaching to a couch-potato choir.
Whadda we got here, some 15,000 members? Imagine 15,000 Jim March type activists in the various arenas of politics...
(As usual, if the shoe don't fit, don't wear it.)
, Art
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DRZinn
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Art, between
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you had me rolling!
alan
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Art Eatman:
Re your last post, I think that, on the whole, you are a lot more right than wrong. In particular, I wonder as to those you describe as "keyboard commandos", how many of them spend the small amount of time and effort involved in even trying to communicate with their "elected things" about matters that concern them. I'm very much afrain that the number would be unfortunately small.
Regarding your mention of people actually getting involved in politics, and I'm afraid that I must plead guilty here myself, though I do write and call my elected things, I'm afraid that the number would be even smaller.
One thing that you did note is the following. "I feel I'm stuck with what society at large thinks is Good, and that includes Guvmint regulations. I've been arguing against a lot of government meddling for over forty years, and mostly all I get is either hostility or blank looks."
Do you really believe that the general population (society) actually thought about it?
By the way, over the years, I've gotten my share of hostility or blank looks, actually both, some of them in really surprising circumstances.
Re your last post, I think that, on the whole, you are a lot more right than wrong. In particular, I wonder as to those you describe as "keyboard commandos", how many of them spend the small amount of time and effort involved in even trying to communicate with their "elected things" about matters that concern them. I'm very much afrain that the number would be unfortunately small.
Regarding your mention of people actually getting involved in politics, and I'm afraid that I must plead guilty here myself, though I do write and call my elected things, I'm afraid that the number would be even smaller.
One thing that you did note is the following. "I feel I'm stuck with what society at large thinks is Good, and that includes Guvmint regulations. I've been arguing against a lot of government meddling for over forty years, and mostly all I get is either hostility or blank looks."
Do you really believe that the general population (society) actually thought about it?
By the way, over the years, I've gotten my share of hostility or blank looks, actually both, some of them in really surprising circumstances.
Art Eatman
Moderator In Memoriam
alan, as near as I can tell, most folks don't think about political matters except for two occasions: During the runup to elections, and if they happen to hear about some billfold issue.
Heck, look at how many of us here at THR have little actual knowledge of the gun laws of our own states! Consider the number of questions by residents of some state, and look at their post counts...
I don't claim to know all of Texas' gun laws, but I sure know enough to avoid "ingnorant-trouble" stuff.
As for specific legislation, I've often been asked, "Why are you interested in all that stuff?" as though it didn't affect them as well as me.
"The world is run by those people who show up."
Art
Heck, look at how many of us here at THR have little actual knowledge of the gun laws of our own states! Consider the number of questions by residents of some state, and look at their post counts...
I don't claim to know all of Texas' gun laws, but I sure know enough to avoid "ingnorant-trouble" stuff.
As for specific legislation, I've often been asked, "Why are you interested in all that stuff?" as though it didn't affect them as well as me.
"The world is run by those people who show up."
Art
alan
Member
Art Eatman:
Often times, a few words really do tell the story, as with your closing observation, which should be writ large.
"The world is run by those people who show up."
To true.
Often times, a few words really do tell the story, as with your closing observation, which should be writ large.
"The world is run by those people who show up."
To true.
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