And none of those were issue M91/30's, either. That's like saying a stock 700 is capable of winning Palma matches, and you know that ain't true.That cartridge was used after WWII in Soviet free rifles (M13?) taking home many gold medals in Olympic and other international 300 metre free rifle matches.
Do you have to get a bolt for them ?Matt,
All original Mauser 96's in good condition are bringing enough in the milsurp market to get a good modern hunting rifle. However, the local market may vary and it may be advantageous to trade or list the firearm nationally via things like armslist/gunbroker/etc. or perhaps at a a private sale at gunshow (if allowed). Metro areas usually have a pretty good market for milsurps.
BTW Copes is selling a bare Mosin receiver for $39.99 and barrels and stocks are around if you really want a project.
Mosin Nagant 91/30 Stripped 7.62x54r TULA ROUND Receiver
Accuracy is dependent on the shooter, the rifle, and the ammo. I can't speak to the first two but I have a target shot with 7 different loads, commercial, reloads and surplus to see how they fared out of the same custom "Mosin" rifle. All 5 shot groups were shot at 100 yards in the order marked on the target.
Yep striped actions require bolt and trigger. As well as a barrel.Do you have to get a bolt for them ?
I know that as I mentioned only the cartridge used. Which is why I referenced their M13 rifle as the one I think they used with it.And none of those were issue M91/30's, either. That's like saying a stock 700 is capable of winning Palma matches, and you know that ain't true
A lot of gunsmiths won't even touch rebarreling a Mosin. There's always Reid Coffield....Installation of the barrel, which is the only smith necessary task, may cost 150-200 depending on the smith, my local smith would probably do it for 75.
I remember one of the guys i used to talk to saying that too. Id guess taking the barrels OFF, and the extractor relief would be the major issues.A lot of gunsmiths won't even touch rebarreling a Mosin. There's always Reid Coffield....
All I have to ask is why?
For the challenge....well OK I get that....lets see if we can make a sow's ear into....a different looking sow's ear. Cool...if you are into that knock yourself out.
If someone wants to go hunting, go to the wallsmart and pick up a budget hunting rifle, spend the money you would spend on doing all this stuff to that old Mosin get some glass, and spent the rest on practice.
Accuracy is dependent on the shooter, the rifle, and the ammo. I can't speak to the first two but I have a target shot with 7 different loads, commercial, reloads and surplus to see how they fared out of the same custom "Mosin" rifle. All 5 shot groups were shot at 100 yards in the order marked on the target.
Hello,
I get the best group with a H4350, but at 51.2 grains.
Did you happen to try lower than 52.5 grains? If so, did precision suffer or did it look like you were going to hit another node?
Regards,
Josh
They can actually vary in accuracy to some degree, depending on when and where they were made. Wartime models may have been "slapped together" to standards below those required during the years before. Also, those made in some countries may be better-built than some in others. For example, the Finnish models command more respect than wartime Soviets, but peacetime Tula Soviets seem to best those same Finnish guns in respect. Those guns tested after manufacture and deemed worthy of "sniper" designation would certainly make good hunters.
Of course, there are many people who hunt with M-N rifles. I would, once it checked out. I haven't shot mine yet, but I have shot another, and found it pretty easy to place on target, at least, at the limited range at which I tried it.
Most ammo sold for these rifles is FMJ, a poor (and sometimes unlawful) choice for game hunting. Suitable ammo may be more difficult to source, and more expensive, than in some more-common calibers. As the rifles become more scarce and more expensive, the trade-off is becoming less logical than it once may have been. Still, I'd love to try it some day.
When they were $99 they were a really cheap way to get a basic hunting rifle. At today's prices, I would have zero interest.
If Trump reverses the restrictions on importing them, we might see them at $149.
Nobody knows, but I think the odds are pretty good. Trump's son is a competitive shooter and was responsible for 2A in the transition team. I also think that the issue will have to wait a while, until we get a few other, more important messes headed in a better direction.What's the chances of restrictions being lifted? Would that include the surplus ammo in the tin cases? I know it's corrosive but was still a good buy.
While I agree with this 100%, some guys just like to tinker. I have a friend that has turned several old milsurps into some amazing looking guns that shoot very well. Has a couple old mausers that shoot almost as well as a new RAR or axis but are MUCH better looking and just cooler to shoot.As he climbs upon his soap box.
It is flat stupid to buy a $200 80 year old rifle that you have no idea will shoot straight or not to spend even more money on to bubba the thing only to make it look better and tell yourself you are making shooting better...well better is subjective term.
Or you go out and get yourself a $200 new factory savage that WILL shoot more accurately, WILL have a factory support behind it.
With any specific surplus rifle...as in ANY....I don't care who made it we are talking about a item made 50+ years ago....was packed away just in case the world went crazy again...then after they had no value to the guberment in some eastern europe hell hole (think about that for a sec) no value to even hand Ivan the pig farmer to walk off with and get shot...(in the mosin's case) they got sold to the west. Now (again in the mosin's case) if the highly trained armorer packed away that rifle made before she was born in 1930 and old Olga got that goo in everything it would have been preserved in its post WWII "refirb" state.
Now that may sound like I don't like the 91/30....wrong I have 4 of the silly things.....and like them for what they are....sure you might get one that shoots well....however it is highly doubtful you will get one that is more accurate over a new Ruger American, Savage Axis, or any other "budget" hunting type rifle.
This is not to say that yes...you can find old Fred over there and his 91/30 shoots fantastic...but this is not a-typical.
As he climbs upon his soap box.
It is flat stupid to buy a $200 80 year old rifle that you have no idea will shoot straight or not to spend even more money on to bubba the thing only to make it look better and tell yourself you are making shooting better...well better is subjective term.
Or you go out and get yourself a $200 new factory savage that WILL shoot more accurately, WILL have a factory support behind it.
With any specific surplus rifle...as in ANY....I don't care who made it we are talking about a item made 50+ years ago....was packed away just in case the world went crazy again...then after they had no value to the guberment in some eastern europe hell hole (think about that for a sec) no value to even hand Ivan the pig farmer to walk off with and get shot...(in the mosin's case) they got sold to the west. Now (again in the mosin's case) if the highly trained armorer packed away that rifle made before she was born in 1930 and old Olga got that goo in everything it would have been preserved in its post WWII "refirb" state.
Now that may sound like I don't like the 91/30....wrong I have 4 of the silly things.....and like them for what they are....sure you might get one that shoots well....however it is highly doubtful you will get one that is more accurate over a new Ruger American, Savage Axis, or any other "budget" hunting type rifle.
This is not to say that yes...you can find old Fred over there and his 91/30 shoots fantastic...but this is not a-typical.
Josh, my best groups are with IMR4350 at 53.5gr. You can see the holes spread in #4 when I dropped 1 grain. Ive not tried any other loads with that powder, I switched to Varget shortly after those targets were shot.